Jeff wrote: > forest and trees > I have seen way too many people ignoring some basic facts to why we > are over there to begin with. 9/11 wasn't the first time we came > across terrorism, it was just the first time that massive non > combatant 'Infidel' were visual reported of Americans. The list is > long of our dealings with these people, some military in nature, > others financial. Remember the long gas lines of the mid 70's? How > many remember the reason for those gas lines? It was one of our first > wake up calls and the main push for Alaska pipe line. > Ignoring the problem will not help. > > I am not naive enough to think that the suspicion of WMD was the only > reason we went into Iraq. There were many factors involved. There > were other reasons involved: > > - WMD, everyone thought they were there including ALL of Europe > leaders [resolution 1441 anyone?]. Who is to say that Iraq didn't > have WMD PRIOR to the long build up of troops and simply moved them > to another country like Syria. >
Yes your honor. The deceased was armed and aiming to kill me. He just managed to throw away the gun when he saw me reaching for mine. > - Saddam was an evil person that needed to be stopped. So is Bush. So... should we invade USA and overthrow him? Just to help you people. > > - Iraq was indeed in a race to build up it's nuclear arms. Israel > took care of that in the early 80's since it was obvious that they > were one of two targets that Iraq had in mind. Remember during the > first Iraq war when Iraq was sending SCUDS at Israel instead of the > people that were attacking them? And the other target was again > realized in Saddam's last words: "The Iraqis should fight the > Americans and the Persians". Persia = Iran. Even though the war > between Iraq and Iran had been over for 30 years, there still is no > love between the two nations. Yeah, but the Israeli's where so efficient they already have nukes. Whereas Iraqis were so inefficient the didn't even had the ways of enriching uranium. Oh! The North Vietnamese are so sleazy that they took you by surprise, they developed a full nuclear industry in a fortnight while you were looking somewhere else. If you didn't like that one, I have many other fairy tales to tell you, you'll certainly believe every one of them. > > - I know that the immediate response from the left concerning how it > has been reported that the CIA helped Iraq during the Iraq Iran war, > Saddam still wasn't someone that we could trust even back then. > Everything we reportedly did back then was done covertly. We couldn't > come out and support him back then in public, they were just the > enemy of our enemy. The Iran/Iraq war was a war Arabs vs. Non-Arabs. > Muslim vs muslim. But we still knew the added issue that occurred > when you mix islam with war. People were gassed, innocent people were > slaughtered in the name of their side of islam. We were not picking > sides with the different versions of islam, we just knew all sides > were dangerous. Terrorism isn't a new islamic fad, but with a history > that stems back 1400 years. Saddam openly sponsored terrorism and it > was again, a long time growing issue. The WTC bombing of '93, Khobar > Tower bombing, US Embassy bombing in '98, the USS Cole,... The > terrorist don't hate the U.S. because we meddle too much in their > affairs [we really haven't besides a few covert operations], the root > reason isn't because we are Infidel's, it isn't even because we > support Israel: it is because we are a big powerful nation and a good > place to blame their woes on. Oh my poor innocent kids. Don't worry momma is going to punish those terrorist thugs that blame everything bad onto you. > "We don't have enough to eat even though we produce the life blood of > the world and have a large GNP." > "It is because of those bastard Americans" > "OK - death to the Americans" > "If you are a small monkey, and you beat up another small monkey, no > one cares. But if you are a small monkey and you beat up the big > monkey, then the other monkeys are impressed and you become the big > monkey. The big monkey is a bigger threat to the other monkeys than > any little monkey, and so when a little monkey challenges the big > monkey, the other monkeys support the little monkey. All primates, > including humans, instinctively plot against the big monkey and > support challengers to the big monkey. What an interesting view of animal behavior. You should publish! Especially that wonderful insight about primates 'instinctively' plotting, that is hilarious, sorry, that is magnificent. > > America is the most prominent nation and the biggest monkey on Earth. > People who are trying to impress their friends by beating someone up > will attack America, because attacking America is much more > impressive than attacking some deadbeat loser. Since America is the > most powerful nation on Earth, people instinctively think that > America is a bigger threat than the neighborhood psychopath, even > though people are more likely to be robbed or murdered by the > neighborhood psychopath than by America. Humans instinctively fear > powerful people more than evil people." > http://kmh678.tripod.com/Government/terrorism_against_america.html Oh shit! so you're not even original at making up all this bs? You copied it? > > - The ME has been a hot bed of activity for the past 60 years. It > wouldn't matter to us much if they didn't control a commodity that > the whole world has developed a dependence on. > Oil > When OPEC decided to flex their muscle in the mid 70's, it sent shock > waves through out the entire world economically speaking. Double > digit inflation, double digit unemployment and the deepest economic > problems that the U.S. had faced since the great depression. What > springs out of economic unrest? As the depression would prove, > Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Hirohito along with Churchill, and FDR. > Millions of lives were lost. The world has learned a long time ago > and war is a great way of turning strife into anger that motivates > people to do things they wouldn't otherwise do. These leaders, both > evil and good, wouldn't of existed without the economic situation > that brought them to power. > By placing us in the middle of the ME, we have taken some of the > power of OPEC to insure that we can stay off a WW III as long as > possible. Granted, it is just a delay tactic but it has worked for > other nations for over a thousand years. Oh I see. So we should be thankful that you have been stalling WWIII all along. And your govt is so humble that they won't even mention this fact. Wow! > We can't control the blame we receive from the islamic trash, but we > can place ourselves where we can have a better control of it's > result. The only way to slow down the path to WW III is by placing > ourselves directly in the mix. Ignoring it will not make it go away. > Has anyone noticed that even though we are smack dab in the middle of > the ME, OPEC hasn't had the ability to 'create' any damage? Has > anyone noticed that there hasn't been a major attack against not only > the US but the rest of the world? > I guess our 'war against terrorism' is working world wide. Yeah. Sure. The by all means go on. Keep sending soldiers to Iraq. And if you run out of them then start pressing men and women into service. Please. BTW, I've got some Batman magazines. You would surely enjoy those real life stories. _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
