I am crying here woo, woo ,woo, I dont who you people are but you are making me glad I dont work with you
On 5/9/07, Dave Crozier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Michael, > I think that if you look the solution Mike wants then it certainly doesn't > become a trivial piece of programming. Certainly having looked at my > proposed implementation of a VFP only substitute there are some major > problems to overcome in order to duplicate the user facilities in the > ctMDay > alternative. Some of them I detail below: > > 1. Drag and drop within a grid - I have written this already and believe > me > it is certainly NOT a trivial task. > > 2. Variable grid row heights. This involves literally creating your own > grid > with containers for rows and scroll bars horizontally and vertically. > Allen > will testify that again this is a non trivial problem especially when you > need to add in drag/drop outside displayed grid areas with the underlying > data refreshing itself whilst you drag/drop. > > 3. Being able to "stretch" jobs to cover a larger timescale using the > mouse. > > Etc etc.. to name but 3. > > The DBi control gave me 95% of what I required and was easily driveable > with > VFP as well as giving a really slick display/UI so why not use a tool for > the job that cuts down on development work. I paid some £750 for the DBi > suite some years ago but it has saved me countless hours of development - > what is wrong with that? > > I may well never get to the full VFP substitute as it is not "imperative" > even though I do like the idea of "VFP only". However if I told my > Directors > that I needed to spend say 7 days development time to get a viable > solution > up and going they would simply say "NO" as it is not cost effective, hence > I'll do it (if it is ever finished) in my own time and at my own cost or > spread out between major tasks at the company's cost. Also the end users > have never known that the DBi control wasn't a VFP standard item. > > How many times have I seen developers slave and slave over a solution that > resulted in totally unmanageable code just to say "I've done it" with > little > or no benefit to the end user paying for the product. > > Keep is simple I say and use anything that cuts down on development > costs/timescales especially if you are a sole developer as I was up until > two years ago. > > I don't know whether your response was tongue in cheek. If it was then I > do > apologise but regardless of that, the use of "tools for the job" has to be > a > good thing. > > If you ARE purporting only using VFP code in all situations and coding it > yourself then Sedna isn't going to be of much use is it? > > Most of the success behind VFP has been due to the discovery and sharing > of > information/classes and methods etc between community members - I know you > did say "...your are given the opportunity to learn to solve that > challenge > then share your learning..." in your post but there is another side that > says "looking for the learning" before you begin is just as beneficial. > > The problem comes when you just become purely a "leech" rather than a > giver, > but that could be a whole new thread covering altruism and open source. > <BG> > > Dave Crozier > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Michael Cummings > Sent: 09 May 2007 07:40 > To: profox@leafe.com > Subject: Re: Need for software...does it exist already,or how would you > designthis kind of screen need? > > I have been watching the conversation on this topic, what I don't > understand > is this is a pretty simple programming problem that can be handled by > foxpro > easily, yet I see all this blogging on finding a software solution that > all > ready exists (why so I dont have to do any coding?), jeez anytime your > challenged by a business problem your are given the opportunity to learn > to > solve that challenge then share your learning, now get to > > it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > On 5/9/07, Dave Crozier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Michael, > > Depending upon how many columns you need the ctMDay activex appointment > > scheduling control from DBI will do exactly what you want. I have a > > similar > > application here with machines not days along the columns and times down > > the > > rows. The intersection shows a job which can be drilled down to and the > > size of the block shows the elapsed time for each job on each machine. > > > > I'm sure that the control is freely available from DBI now under the > Sedna > > VFP9 release but I've not checked as I have the corporate toolbox here > > which > > contains all the DBi controls. > > > > Only one problem - you are limited to 10 displayable columns at any one > > time > > even though the underlying matrix will support up to about 200 I think. > Oh > > and by the way I have a touch screen working on it and we can drag jobs > > from > > one machine to another or one timeslot to another. One of the other > > operators has it on two 19" monitors displayed in the "QC lab" where > > everyone can see the scheduled work in the factory. > > > > Drag and drop is no problem as is double click drill down and event > > colouring etc etc. If you can live with the 10 column display > restriction > > then it is ideal and will do the job with very little effort. If you > want > > to > > see a screenshot just ask. > > > > Dave Crozier > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf > > Of MB Software Solutions > > Sent: 08 May 2007 22:05 > > To: Profox > > Subject: Need for software...does it exist already, or how would you > > designthis kind of screen need? > > > > I'm reminded of Ted saying something like there's no need (most of the > > time) to create software, as there's tons of softwares out there now > > that could do what folks need. Here's my client's (a pallet creation > > company) need: > > > > They've got a magnetic scheduling board, where it's laid out in a matrix > > of sorts--days of the week on the horizontal, different workcenter names > > on the vertical, with each of the day/workcenter intersection points > > featuring little magnets showing the jobs scheduled along with the > > little extras needed for each job. For example, they've got 3 jobs > > scheduled on Tuesday, May 8th in the Nailing workcenter, and each of > > those jobs needs something a little different--one job needs to use Wood > > Type A with 3/4" spacers; another job needs to use Wood Type B with 1/2" > > spacers; and the final job needs to use Wood Type C with 1/4" spacers. > > > > Keeping track of that data isn't too hard a task for a developer, but > > how to represent that on the screen---that's the real challenge here. > > (Of course, coming back to Ted's point, if there's something out there > > already suitable for this task, then it's a moot point how I would > > represent it in my design.) > > > > 1) Does anyone know of an EXISTING application that would suffice for > > this? > > 2) IF I have to do it in VFP9, can I design a grid of containers of > > sorts to achieve this "matrix" kind of look and feel? I must admit it'd > > be a cool app to design, as he likes the idea of dragging/dropping and > > using very big (flat screen) monitors. Getting the touch-screen add-ons > > would be an awesome feature! > > > > tia, > > --Michael > > > > -- > > Michael J. Babcock, MCP > > MB Software Solutions, LLC > > http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com > > http://fabmate.com > > "Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom software solutions!" > > > > > > [excessive quoting removed by server] _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. 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