At 03:02 PM 3/11/2008 -0300, Ricardo Araoz wrote:
>Charlie Coleman wrote:
> > At 08:19 PM 2/21/2008 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
> >> Charlie Coleman wrote:
> >>> At 12:32 PM 2/21/2008 -0300, Helio W. wrote:
> >>>> So you're interpreting the Bible literally... Did you really believe 
> that
> >>>> Adam and Eva really existed? What about Noah's Ark?
> >>>>
> >>>> Not even Pete is so naive.
> >>> Some parts of the Bible are definitely allegory, others are not. From my
> >>> studies to date, I believe the stories of Adam and Eve and Noah are
> >>> supposed to be interpreted literally.
> >>>
> >> And your relevant studies would be???
> >
> > About a dozen Bible commentary books. Also several (maybe 6 or so?)
> > Biblical-critical books (e.g. the ones that try to disprove or discredit
> > the Bible). I've also researched some archeology books and resources. Also
> > there is a fantastic software program called Quickverse. It's got an
> > incredible range of resources for Bible study (something like 160 
> different
> > books/studies, etc - but I have not read them all). The Sunday School 
> class
...

>I see. I did a similar research on Superman. I concluded that if
>Kryptonite were to fall to earth it would consume itself before hitting
>ground. It was not until then that I could have a full night sleep.
...

It sounds more and more like you're desperately frightened of thinking the 
Bible may be true and God may indeed exist: you repeatedly use these kinds 
of ludicrous comparisons as if they had some merit.

But in case you were really earnest, lets show just 1 point where your 
analogy falls down. The Superman story was intentionally created as fiction 
as can be seen from it's inception. The Bible was intentionally written to 
show God's Truth to man as can be seen from it's inception. Of course, you 
may not believe it, but the intention of it's creation was basically 
completely opposite to the story of Superman.

> >> And on what do you base that belief?
> >
> > I think you're asking on what do I base my believe that Adam and Eve were
> > actual people. Basically, I believe in an actual Adam and Eve based on
> > studies from the above, and the various discussions over my life as a
> > Christian. Many years ago I had thought maybe they were allegorical, but
> > then as I studied more and talked about it more I now believe they were
> > real people.
>
>So you base your beliefs in what a book SAYS on what other people SAY
>about it. Whatever happened to FACTS? Or don't they apply in your
>life.... well, if that is so I have a beauuutiful bridge to sell you,
>right here in Argentina.

Yes indeed facts are critically important. For example, in the 1800's 
(maybe earlier), there were many Bible critics that reasoned that all 
Biblical accounts were purely fictional, drawing from other myths and 
religions. However, archeology disproved these theories.


> > And yes, I believe Noah's Ark also literally existed. That one I've not
> > researched as much yet.
>
>You mean you believe it literally existed because you have not  researched it?
>Well, anyway I also think it "literally" existed. It's in a book, isn't it?

Maybe I need to learn your native language and try to talk to you that way. 
So, to be clear, the term "literal" in this context means "actual" or "in 
existence" or "true." I think you knew this, but based on some of your 
other comments maybe you didn't.

The first question in this thread was why do I believe in a literal Adam 
and Eve. So I provided several sources of information that I used. You then 
brought in the question of Noah's Ark and I said I believe that was also 
literally true. However, I have not done the same amount of researching 
into that event as I did into Adam and Eve. I was trying to be honest about 
my approach to what is in the Bible.

Do you have a list of resources you have used to research and prove to 
yourself that Adam and Eve and the Ark did not exist?

-Charlie



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