> > It always bugs me when people try to "prove" supernatural stuff > using > science. By definition, science does not address supernatural things; > otherwise, they would be natural things.
I actually totally agree with Ed on this. And so does God (1 Cor 2:14). > > Science also does not exclude Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, > Zeus, > Spiderman, Thor, Apollo, Shiva, or the Tooth Fairy. Nor does it > exclude any of the fantastic images you saw in your dreams last night. Science unfortunately limits its inquiry to the least common denominator of human experience, i.e., the five (often unreliable) senses. And even with these in common men of goodwill disagree more than they agree. The scientific process as a logical framework is awesome, and God's all for it ("come let us reason together" in Isaiah 1). The difficulty is in the most basic assumptions about reality that you start out at (often unconsciously)---this is where men diverge, starting with "God exists" vs. "God does not exist". They are, as atheist radical Ayn Rand would call them, "metaphysical givens," from which further reasoning proceeds, but which no amount of reasoning can deduce logically. Federalist Paper 31 calls them "primary truths and first principles, on which all subsequent reasoning must depend". At best science has to admit its ambivalence about the existence of God, and confess the inadequacy of its tools, techniques and methods for addressing spiritual things. At worst, it becomes arrogant in its presumptions, wise in its own conceit, and hostile to the living God. Not science, per se, but self-described scientists, I mean. - Bob > > -- Ed Leafe > _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/005801c982f4$e491a0b0$adb4e2...@rr.com ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.