Ian
A new page is generally a much higher cognitive load, and takes a lot
longer for the layout engine to do its work. i have used popup's very
successfully to detail desc tags in SVG documents. One leaves the page
intact, so it never shifts and the users cognitive load is not drastically
changed. One can mouse over (or pen by) objects and a popup window changes
w/o affecting the viewed main page.
greg
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from: Ian Clark earthspo...@gmail.com
to: Programming forum <programm...@jsoftware.com>
date: 21 January 2014 15:20
subject: Re: [Jprogramming] The Accessible Dictionary released
Why are we considering tooltips and popups... what task do they support?
...what's their advantage here? Why can't the target page be its own
"popup"?
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from: greg heil ghei...@gmail.com
to: Programming forum <programm...@jsoftware.com>
date: 21 January 2014 15:15
subject: Re: [Jprogramming] The Accessible Dictionary released
Ian
i expect a controller of authentication like moinmoin would not be easy
to circumvent:) However another, more general, model would be to have
popups.
If one had a single popup at a location place able by the user, and a
click to initiate it (to get around popup sandboxing issues) it would not
be distracting.
It could also be configurable - not just ranks but other info on
underlying tokens.
greg
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from: Ian Clark earthspo...@gmail.com
to: Programming forum <programm...@jsoftware.com>
date: 21 January 2014 15:00
subject: Re: [Jprogramming] The Accessible Dictionary released
@Brian - you speak for me too. I think Oleg's scheme is the easiest mod
*of that page* that can be done, but it's not so pretty. I'd thought of a
parallel page, which you could make appear with a click and back again.
My preference is for Henry's proposal, which I've mashed-up in:
http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/Voctest/eq_iac2 I hate tool tips anyway.
They never work for me cos I use a graphic tablet, not a mouse, and my pen
wavers. It'll be fast enough for me to click thru to the J Dic and back
again.
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from: Brian Schott schott.br...@gmail.com
to: Programming forum <programm...@jsoftware.com>
date: 21 January 2014 14:47
subject: Re: [Jprogramming] The Accessible Dictionary released
Ian,
I see what you have done there: added the verb ranks to their names. I
like it except that it is butt ugly relative to the original clean page.
That may not be a reason to not add the info, but I sort of wonder,
especially if this page is to "sell" J to new users.
Does anyone know how to put tooltips into such a page?
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On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 12:45 AM, Ian Clark <earthspo...@gmail.com> wrote:
@Brian -- maybe it doesn't need a tooltip...?
It's not to hard to add the rank info to the table itself, in the way
Oleg suggests.
I've temporarily modified http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/NuVoc to show
how.
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On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 5:39 AM, Ian Clark <earthspo...@gmail.com> wrote:
I can't see how that tooltip is created either. It seems to be builtin to
the utility: <<WikiConfigHelp>>
Oleg made an attempt at a rank table...
http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/Essays/Rank%20Table ...would a link to
that be enough for now?
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On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Brian Schott <schott.brian@gmail.comwrote:
I am replying to my own post because I want my original specification to
be included, even though I like Henry's suggestion, also. Henry's
suggestion will change each verb page of NuVoc, and mine is directed solely
to the first page. I think tool-tip information on the first page would
mostly help old-timers, but I think it would be unobtrusive and would not
hinder beginners. I thought it amounts to just adding a `title="..."`
element to each verb's primitive, but I forgot that the wiki uses
moinmoin's markup, not html, so I don't really know if a tooltip is
possible. I did find a page that has a tooltip, but I could not understand
how it was created.
http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/HelpOnAccessControlLists?highlight=%28tooltip%29
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On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Brian Schott <schott.brian@gmail.comwrote:
Ian,
That is amazing. Thank you for that great resource.
I don't know if I dare ask the following, but, here goes. Is there any
way to add a feature -- I think it's called a tool-tip -- to the main page
which would show the rank of each verb when someone hovers over the
primitive? If so, would other folks use such a feature?
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