Hehehe ... si johny_indon ini cuma bisa ngoceh soal gua salah pencet, ga sanggup ngebantah apa yg jadi topik utama.
From: johny_indon <johny_in...@yahoo.com> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 7:41 AM >Subject: [proletar] Re: Paradoks Islam Indonesia + Insight: How Islamic are >Islamic countries? A rejoinder > > > > > >orang waras kalo bikin salah itu minta maaf, bukan nge goblok2in orang lain. > >goblok sih lu, sampe urusan mencet aja kagak becus. > >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: >> >> Goblok, gua salah pencet aja ni orang kagak ngarti. Betul2 dungu. >>  >> >> From: Musik hari Ini <musikhariini@...> >> >To: "proletar@yahoogroups.com" <proletar@yahoogroups.com> >> >Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 10:29 AM >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Paradoks Islam Indonesia + Insight: How Islamic >> >are Islamic countries? A rejoinder >> > >> > >> > >> >Mana jawaban elu postingan kosong?jadi omong kosong pengetahuan agamalu >> >cetek >> >baru taraf percaya doang belum yakin >> >mendingan balik keagama asli lu gimana tidak elu cuman bicara vulgar doang >> >tiap hari >> > >> >tidak ada isinya................tong kosong. >> > >> >________________________________ >> >From: item abu <itemabu@...> >> >To: "proletar@yahoogroups.com" <proletar@yahoogroups.com> >> >Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 8:30 PM >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Paradoks Islam Indonesia + Insight: How Islamic >> >are Islamic countries? A rejoinder >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >From: Musik hari Ini <musikhariini@...> >> >>To: "proletar@yahoogroups.com" <proletar@yahoogroups.com> >> >>Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 6:01 AM >> >>Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Paradoks Islam Indonesia + Insight: How >> >>Islamic are Islamic countries? A rejoinder >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>pertanyaan: >> >> >> >>jelasin ttng ayat kidung agung 7:6-9 yg dikatakan Porno tsb? >> >> >> >>Terimakasih >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> >>From: item abu <itemabu@...> >> >>To: "proletar@yahoogroups.com" <proletar@yahoogroups.com> >> >>Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 5:10 PM >> >>Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Paradoks Islam Indonesia + Insight: How >> >>Islamic are Islamic countries? A rejoinder >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Gua kasih perbandingan. >> >> >> >>auloh lu itu tukang tipu, nipu orang di Quran dan ngehalalin sumpah palsu. >> >>Di Kristen, orang dilarang nipu dan dusta, ga ada perkecualian. >> >> >> >>Islam bilang ga boleh ngebunuh kecuali dgn alasan yg benar. Jadi ngebunuh >> >>kafir musuh auloh itu boleh dan wajib, ngebunuh murtad itu boleh dan >> >>wajib. Kristen bilang ga boleh ngebunuh, titik, tanpa kecuali. >> >> >> >>Pake otak lu unt nentuin yg mana yg benar. >> >> >> >> >> >>From: Abbas <abas_amin08@...> >> >>>To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >> >>>Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 10:19 AM >> >>>Subject: [proletar] Re: Paradoks Islam Indonesia + Insight: How Islamic >> >>>are Islamic countries? A rejoinder >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>Kamu kampanye negative terus ? >> >>>Coba kini kampanyekan agama yang bagus ! misalnya kristen ! >> >>>Nah mungkin aku tertarik. Coba kamu kampanyekan ! >> >>>Aku ingin denger ! >> >>>Atau menurutmu tak ada satupun agama yang baek !? >> >>>Coba aku ingin tahu ! >> >>> >> >>>--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Islam itu nyembah tukang tipu, ngehalalin ngibul dan ngefitnah, nyuruh >> >>>> malak dan ngerampok kafir, ngasih pahala ke yg ngebantai kafir, >> >>>> ngehalalin pedophilia, merkosa dan segala kejahatan lainnya. Ga heran >> >>>> kalo negara amburadul krn dikuasai orang islam. >> >>>>  >> >>>>  >> >>>> >> >>>> From: Sunny <ambon@> >> >>>> >To: Undisclosed-Recipient@ >> >>>> >Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 7:48 PM >> >>>> >Subject: [proletar] Paradoks Islam Indonesia + Insight: How Islamic >> >>>> >are Islamic countries? A rejoinder >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> >Ref: Bagi yang mau membaca artikel Scheherazade S. Rehman and Hossein >> >>>> >Askari bisa download pada : >> >>>> >http://www.mendeley.com/research/islamic-islamic-countries-11/ >> >>>> > >> >>>> >http://www.analisadaily.com/news/read/2012/02/04/33586/paradoks_islam_indonesia/#.Ty_G1fnPzRU >> >>>> > >> >>>> >Sabtu, 04 Feb 2012 00:52 WIB >> >>>> > >> >>>> >Paradoks Islam Indonesia >> >>>> >Oleh : Ahmad Khotim Muzakka. >> >>>> >Dalam sebuah pengajian di DI Yogyakarta, Pengasuh Pesantren Raudlatuth >> >>>> >Thalibin, Rembang Kyai Ahmad Mustofa Bisri menerangkan bahwa yang >> >>>> >paling bertanggungjawab terhadap kondisi Indonesia saat ini adalah >> >>>> >orang Muslim. Itu karena orang Islam merupakan kelompok terbesar yang >> >>>> >menghuni negara Maritim ini. Pada tahun 2010, umat Islam mencapai >> >>>> >angka 85,1 persen dari total 240.271.522 penduduk Indonesia. Gus Mus, >> >>>> >sebutan akrab beliau, melanjutkan umat Islam lah yang harus berdiri, >> >>>> >berbaris di depan dan bertanggungjawab atas keterpurukan bangsa ini. >> >>>> > >> >>>> >Pernyataan tersebut bukan hendak menegaskan kelompok agama yang lain >> >>>> >yang bertanggungjawab terhadap nasib Indonesia. Melainkan karena lebih >> >>>> >pada kuantitas penduduk Indonesia yang didominasi orang Islam. Gus Mus >> >>>> >mengandaikan diadakannya survei tentang umat Islam yang mempunyai >> >>>> >Al-Quran di rumah. Kemudian dilanjutkan dengan pertanyaan lanjutan; >> >>>> >berapa persen yang membaca, berapa persen yang memahami, dan yang >> >>>> >lebih penting berapa persen yang mengamalkan. >> >>>> > >> >>>> >Jika survei semacam ini dilaksanakan, Gus Mus optimis segala bentuk >> >>>> >permasalahan di Indonesia bisa dipecahkan lahan-perlahan. Karena semua >> >>>> >kitab suci-sebenarnya tidak hanya kitab suci umat Islam-mengajarkan >> >>>> >hal-hal baik. Terutama perkara yang berhubungan dengan hajat hidup >> >>>> >orang banyak. >> >>>> > >> >>>> >Pesan Penting >> >>>> > >> >>>> >Peringatan itu seperti relevan dengan hasil penelitian Sheherazade S. >> >>>> >Rehman dan Hossein Askari dari The George Washington University. Kedua >> >>>> >peneliti itu menempatkan Indonesia pada peringkat ke-140 dari 208 >> >>>> >negara dalam sebuah penelitian bertajuk "How Islamic are Islamic >> >>>> >Countries" (Global Economy Journal: 2010). Negara yang menempati >> >>>> >posisi puncak adalah Selandia Baru, disusul Luxemburg di urutan kedua. >> >>>> > >> >>>> >Ada empat indikator yang digunakan dua peneliti ini untuk mengukur >> >>>> >sejauh mana sebuah negara dikategorikan sebagai yang Islami. Pertama, >> >>>> >sistem ekonomi dan prinsip keadilan dalam politik serta kehidupan >> >>>> >sosial. Kedua, sistem perundang-undangan dan pemerintahan. Ketiga, hak >> >>>> >asasi manusia dan hak politik. Keempat, ajaran Islam berkaitan dengan >> >>>> >hubungan Internasional dan masyarakat non-Muslim. Sedangkan indikator >> >>>> >yang bersifat personal yakni; ajaran Islam mengenai hubungan seseorang >> >>>> >dengan Tuhan dan hubungan sesama manusia, tidak disertakan. >> >>>> > >> >>>> >Dari keempat indikator yang dijadikan acuan, terlihat bahwa Indonesia >> >>>> >sebagai negeri berpenduduk Muslim terbesar di dunia belum benar-benar >> >>>> >menerapkan prinsip-prinsip utama ber-Islam, terutama kaitannya dengan >> >>>> >negara. Banyaknya kecurangan di bidang politik, timpangnya >> >>>> >perekonomian dan kesejahteraan masyarakat, serta merebaknya korupsi >> >>>> >yang merajalela menjadikan Indonesia menempati peringkat yang >> >>>> >"mengecewakan". Hal ini tentu menjadi koreksi besar-besaran terhadap >> >>>> >ke-Islam-an Indonesia yang bangga dengan kuantitas. Sedangkan masalah >> >>>> >kualitas ber-Islam, yang disertai segala atributnya, belum menjadi >> >>>> >perhatian utama. >> >>>> > >> >>>> >Penelitian itu cukup mengejutkan. Dari 56 negara OKI, yang memperoleh >> >>>> >nilai tertinggi adalah Malaysia (urutan ke-38), Kuwait (48), Uni >> >>>> >Emirat Arab (66), Maroko (119), Arab Saudi (131), Indonesia (140), >> >>>> >Pakistan (147), Yaman (198), dan terburuk adalah Somalia (206). >> >>>> >Sedangkan negara Barat yang dinilai mendekati nilai-nilai Islam adalah >> >>>> >Kanada di urutan ke-7, Inggris (8), Australia (9), dan Amerika Serikat >> >>>> >(25). >> >>>> > >> >>>> >Hasil penelitian itu, sudah selayaknya menjadikan negara Indonesia mau >> >>>> >menginstrospeksi terhadap keislamannya selama ini. Sebagai bangsa yang >> >>>> >masih terus belajar, mestinya kita terpacu untuk memperbaiki diri. >> >>>> >Abdurrahman Wahid (Islamku, Islam Anda, Islam Kita) menegaskan bahwa >> >>>> >baik moralitas sekuler dari sebuah ideologi duniawi seperti Komunisme, >> >>>> >maupun moralitas agama yang digunakan dalam pengembangan sistem >> >>>> >politik, haruslah dibaca sebagai keniscayaan sebuah pemerintahan yang >> >>>> >benar-benar bertanggung jawab pada rakyat. Gus Dur tidak membedakan >> >>>> >antara negeri yang menyatakan diri sebagai negara Islam atau negara >> >>>> >sekuler. Yang terpenting adalah negara itu menerapkan prinsip yang >> >>>> >mendukung hal itu terwujud. >> >>>> > >> >>>> >Nah, melihat kesemrawutan Indonesia yang tak hanya di bidang politik, >> >>>> >ekonomi, dan sosial, melainkan juga pada sikap berbudaya manusianya, >> >>>> >bangsa Indonesia mesti memahami bahwa Islam bukan sebatas penamaan >> >>>> >belaka. Islam merupakan perkara yang tak cukup dilisankan, juga >> >>>> >dituliskan. Lebih dari itu Islam adalah pengamalan. Melihat hasil >> >>>> >penelitian di atas, kita boleh mengajukan pertanyaan, benarkah >> >>>> >negara-negara Barat lebih Islami daripada negara-negara yang mengaku >> >>>> >diri sebagai negara Islam? Ini perkara pelik, namun kita mesti >> >>>> >menginsafi diri agar bisa memandang lebih jernih dan lebih adil >> >>>> >menilai pribadi. >> >>>> > >> >>>> >Lebih parahnya, Islam sering dijadikan tameng untuk berlindung atas >> >>>> >ketidakpatutan dalam hukum positif. Sekadar contoh, apa yang dikatakan >> >>>> >Ozhak Sihotang, pengacara Sofyan Usman terkait dugaan korupsi kliennya >> >>>> >sangat tidak pantas diutarakan. Katanya, "saat itu Pak Sofyan kan >> >>>> >anggota Banggar DPR juga. Saat itu membantu memperjuangkan anggaran >> >>>> >Otorita Batam, dan cair Rp 85 miliar. Pak Sofyan tidak meminta >> >>>> >apa-apa, hanya meminta agar dibantu dalam pembangunan masjid. "Jadi >> >>>> >itu proyek akhirat, tidak untuk kepentingan pribadi." (Detiknews, >> >>>> >24/12) >> >>>> > >> >>>> >Sebagaimana diberitakan Sofyan Usman, mantan anggota DPR periode lalu, >> >>>> >disidangkan atas kasus dugaan korupsi Otorita Batam di Pengadilan >> >>>> >Tipikor. Sofyan diduga menerima uang Rp 150 juta dan cek pelawat Rp >> >>>> >850 juta. Namun Sofyan berkelit, dia tidak menerima sepeser uang pun. >> >>>> >Uang seluruhnya disumbangkan untuk pembangunan masjid. >> >>>> > >> >>>> >Kasus seolah menegaskan hasil penelitian di atas. Bahwa Islam belum >> >>>> >sepenuhnya diimani sebagai perilaku dan pengamalan. Islam baru >> >>>> >dirayakan saat upacara keagamaan, seperti hari raya. Selebihnya, kita >> >>>> >sangat berbangga dengan kesalahan sosial yang kita lakukan setiap hari >> >>>> >seperti shalat, zakat, puasa, dan haji. Beginikah kita memperlakukan >> >>>> >agama?*** >> >>>> > >> >>>> >Penulis adalah Peneliti pada Idea Studies IAIN Walisongo, Semarang. >> >>>> >++++ >> >>>> >http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2011/11/12/insight-how-islamic-are-islamic-countries-a-rejoinder.html >> >>>> >Insight: How Islamic are Islamic countries? A rejoinder >> >>>> >Bahtiar Effendy, Jakarta | Sat, 11/12/2011 9:15 AM >> >>>> >Prof. Komaruddin Hidayat, the rector of Syarif Hidayatullah State >> >>>> >Islamic University (UIN), wrote an interesting column in >> >>>> >Jakarta’s leading newspaper on Indonesian Islamicity. His >> >>>> >article is a rejoinder to a study conducted by Scheherazade S. Rehman >> >>>> >and Hossein Askari from George Washington University. >> >>>> > >> >>>> >Published in the Berkeley-based Global Economy Journal, Volume 10, >> >>>> >2010, this study examines if policies of the Muslim world were founded >> >>>> >on Islamic teachings in comparison to those in non-Muslim countries. >> >>>> >All up, 208 countries were studied. >> >>>> > >> >>>> >Indicators such as economic opportunity, economic freedom, equal >> >>>> >access to education, corruption, financial systems and human rights >> >>>> >were used to measure the degree of Islamicity in those countries. The >> >>>> >results were hilarious. â€Å"Most self-declared and labeled Islamic >> >>>> >countries are not conducting their affairs in accordance with Islamic >> >>>> >teachings â€" at least when it comes to economic, financial, >> >>>> >political, legal, social and governance policies.� >> >>>> > >> >>>> >Thus, this study was basically a critical assessment of the Muslim >> >>>> >world with respect to their social, economic and political practices, >> >>>> >which did not seem to confirm the substance of Islamic values. Not >> >>>> >only that, this study put the Muslim world at the lower end of the >> >>>> >list, but it also put many of the non-Muslim countries at a much >> >>>> >higher position. New Zealand, for instance, was listed near the top as >> >>>> >a result of this study. Luxembourg came second. The highest among the >> >>>> >Muslim countries was Malaysia, at 38th place, whereas Indonesia, as >> >>>> >the largest, predominantly Muslim country, ranked 140th. >> >>>> > >> >>>> >In fairness, this is not a novel study. It may be the first to provide >> >>>> >a theoretically based piece of empirical research, but certainly not >> >>>> >the first to offer such a substantive opinion. >> >>>> > >> >>>> >More than two decades ago, Imaddudin Abdulrahim, one of the >> >>>> >country’s leading thinkers on Islamic monotheism, had often >> >>>> >claimed that Ames, Iowa, was a microcosmic, or an exemplar, of an >> >>>> >Islamic state. Of course, he understood well that this small >> >>>> >Midwestern city was part of the United States, which is in no formal >> >>>> >or informal sense regarded as being administered on the basis of >> >>>> >Islamic sharia (law). >> >>>> > >> >>>> >On one occasion, Mohammad Natsir, the former premier and leader of the >> >>>> >Islamic party Masyumi, who became one of the principal advocates to >> >>>> >the idea of Islam as the basis of state, considered the US a Christian >> >>>> >nation â€" something that wasn’t that difficult to accept >> >>>> >especially during the presidency of George >> >>>> >W. Bush. This is notwithstanding the fact that many students of >> >>>> >American society and politics tend to see the US as a secular >> >>>> >(democratic) state, where it is often perceived that the affairs of >> >>>> >the state and religion are separated. >> >>>> > >> >>>> >But Imaddudin did not see Ames in the light of religious formality. >> >>>> >Being a former student of Iowa State University for so many years, he >> >>>> >knew well that no reference to Islam had ever been made in >> >>>> >Ames’ day-to-day social, economic and political practices. >> >>>> >Instead, recollecting my interview with him a long time ago when I was >> >>>> >conducting my dissertation research, he weighed the day-to-day or >> >>>> >regular practices of the people in Ames and regarded these as his >> >>>> >parameters to judge this city as an Islamic abode. In doing so, he >> >>>> >treated trust and justice as the two most important areas of reference. >> >>>> > >> >>>> >Undoubtedly, he was so impressed by the fact that the people of Ames >> >>>> >did not have to lock their houses when they were not at home, and yet >> >>>> >no one in the community trespassed. Similarly, grocery workers would >> >>>> >always be willing to exchange unsatisfactory goods or merchandise that >> >>>> >was bought by customers â€" including broken eggs. >> >>>> > >> >>>> >Trust and justice that had made the life in Ames so peaceful and >> >>>> >secure was the key requirements he cited to call it Islamic. The >> >>>> >realization of the principle of trust and justice in the people of >> >>>> >Ames’ daily activities was for him a translation of Islamic >> >>>> >sharia. >> >>>> > >> >>>> >Imaddudin’s perception of Islamicity was comparable to that of >> >>>> >Nurcholish Madjid, another prominent Muslim thinker. >> >>>> > >> >>>> >Both the Muslim intellectuals saw Islam beyond sharia, and beyond its >> >>>> >textual appearances. >> >>>> >Given the universal values of >> >>>> >Islam (or any religions for that matter), they emphasized more the >> >>>> >substantive elements of Islam. This was the reason why Imaddudin and >> >>>> >Nurcholish were of the opinion that as long as a state adheres to the >> >>>> >principle of trust and justice, and practices the substantive values >> >>>> >of Islamic teachings, it suffices for them to be regarded as Islamic. >> >>>> >Under such circumstances, the formal adoption of Islam as a referent >> >>>> >point is not terribly important. >> >>>> > >> >>>> >In light of what has been presented, the study mentioned above saw >> >>>> >religiosity or Islamicity more in a substantive than a formal or legal >> >>>> >sense. Given the evaluation of the study, which puts many Islamic >> >>>> >countries at lower ranks compared to their non-Muslim counterparts, it >> >>>> >can be suggested that even in Muslim states, the day-to-day practices >> >>>> >of their citizens do not always conform to or remain in accordance >> >>>> >with Islamic teachings. >> >>>> > >> >>>> >In the meantime, the day-to-day practice of non-Muslim countries does >> >>>> >not necessarily contradict Islamic doctrines. In fact, as demonstrated >> >>>> >by New Zealand, the day-to-day practices of its citizens can be viewed >> >>>> >as Islamic. >> >>>> > >> >>>> >Had Imaddudin and Nurcholish remained alive, they would have >> >>>> >definitely shared this rejoinder. >> >>>> > >> >>>> >The writer is dean of the School of Social and Political Sciences at >> >>>> >the State Islamic University in Jakarta. >> >>>> > >> >>>> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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