Sekedar untuk membedakan saja kalau Nama yg tertulis dibawah adalah Tawangalun asli itu justru yg palsu,sedangkan kalau Nama yg tertulis dibawah adalah Paulus Anak Wedus justru itulah Tawangalun asli. La Talangalun alias Tawangalun palsu gak berani memasang Nama Dibawah dg Paulus Anak Wedus soale takut kewalat.Ha ha ha.
Paulus Anak Wedus. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun" <tawangalun@...> wrote: > > Gak ada hubungan antara Kristennya bangsa dg kemajuan bangsa tsb. > Eropah Amerika sekarang gereja2 sudah kosong harusnya teknologynya jadi > tertinggal kenyataannya enggak kan. > Amerika Latin masih banyak Kristen tapi sejak dulu gak maju2. > Lalu Alkitabnya Katolik ternyata lebih banyak 180 halaman dibanding > Alkitabnya Protestan,Saksi Yehovah juga.Jadi antara denominasi Kristen > Alkitabnya beda2. > Lalu soal nyontek,Kristen nyontek Perjanjian Lama mentah2 sebab > Ulangan,Bilangan,Kejadian,Maleachi,Mazmur,Keluaran dll itu bukan Kitabnya > Yesus tapi Nabi2 sebelumnya,tapi semua langsung ditelen.Nek Quran memang ada > yg sama dg Alkitab ,asal yg masih asli yo sama wong satu sumber tapi kan > Islam gak nelen mentah2 Perjanjian Lama dan Perjanjian Baru. > > Paulus Anak Wedus. > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> wrote: > > > > Pak Ballast,sekedar berbagi info. > > 1. Memang ada banyak versi Alkitab / Bible tetapi perbedaan yg ada hanya > > bertalian dengan bahasanya. Misalnya, King James Bible bahasanya sudah > > archaic (kuno) sehingga kurang difahami oleh jemaat masa kini. Tidak ada > > perbedaan isi atau messaage dari kitab2 dan ayat2 Bible. > > 2. Mnrt anda tidak logis kalau ada orang yg menyontek Perjanjian Lama dan > > Perjanjian Baru. Kenyataan di lapangan banyak ayat2 Al Qur'an yg sangat > > mirip dengan ayat2 Alkitab. Mungkin saja ini karena kebetulan. Yg jelas > > Perjanjian Lama itu sudah dikenal, ditulis, diajarkan lebih dari 2,000 > > tahun sebelum nuzul Al Qur'an. Perjanjian Baru sudah selesai ditulis pada > > tahun 70 Masehi jadi lebih dari 600 tahun sebelum nuzul Qur'an. > > 3.Salah satu contoh similarity / persamaan kita lihat dari Doa Yahudi > > (P.L.) yg namanya Ha Patach dengan Surat Al Fatiha. (Dua hari yg lalu aku > > kirim Ha Patach tsb.) > > 4. Anda benar praktis tidak ada orang Kristen yg hafal ayat2 Alkitab. Perlu > > kita pertanyakan apakah seseorang yg hafal ayat2 sebuah kitab suci, > > otomatis menjadi orang yg baik? Lebih2 kalau kita ingat bhw sebagian besar > > umat Islam tidak mengerti Bahasa Arab. Ini artinya bhw sebagian besar umat > > Islam sebenarnya tidak mengerti apa yg mereka ikrarkan. > > 5. Mungkin ada orang2 yg merasa puas kalau merussak, merobek2 Alkitab (for > > that matter Al Qur'an dsb.) Bagi umat Kristiani Alkitab itu adalah sekedar > > buku, karenanya tidak mungkin suci atau dapat membawa pahala. Yg sangat > > penting adalah ajaran yg terkandung dalam Bible tsb. Kalau orang > > mengamalkan ajaran yg mulia, maka orang tsb berkenan kpd Tuhan. > > 6. Kalau anda jujur penganut agama mana yg (i) Kehidupannya secara umum > > tidak mapan, tidak sejahtera? (ii) Umat beragama mana yg sepanjang sejarah > > dan khususnya dlm sejak abad ke-15 ketinggalan kemajuan dlm banyak bidang: > > science, health, politic, social dsb? (iii) Umat mana yg banyak trerlibat > > dlm perseteruan, pembunuhan, kejahatan, anti sosial dan tindak terorisme? - > > bahkan di antara umat yg seagama? (iv) Umat beragama mana yg masih > > melakukan penindasan, pelecehan, thdp kaum perempuan? > > > > Wasalam > > > > Gabriella > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Ballast Yo <yo.balast@> > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, 8 June 2013 4:03 PM > > Subject: Re: R: [proletar] Komposisi Quran > > > > > > > >  > > hal yg jauh dari logika kalau ada suatu kitab mau mencontoh bibel. > > tahu kenapa? > > enggak kan? > > itu krn bibel sendiri selalu direvisi. Orang kristen aja enggak ada yg > > hapal kok. lagian ngapain dihapalin, di turki sudah ketemu injil yg lebih > > sesuai. > > dulu..ada orang israel/yahudi dikirimi bibel malah disobek2. itu tandanya > > bhw bibel itu membuat pengaruh buruk thd bgs yahudi dan juga bagi bangsa2 > > di dunia. faham? > > > > --- On Sat, 6/8/13, SA <susan_th45@> wrote: > > > > > From: SA <susan_th45@> > > > > > > > > Kelemahan Islam adalah memplagiat dua Kitab Suci > > > terdahulu,ingin membuat Kitab sendiri yang sempurna,ternyata > > > semakin kelihatan jejak2 plagiatnya,semakin banyak ditemukan > > > kontradiksi. > > > > > > Ketegangan soal Kitab Suci antar ketiga agama ini akan > > > hilang atau berkurang, jika umat Islam menjadikan quran > > > sebagai Kitab Suci mereka tetapi digandeng dengan Taurat > > > dan Alkitab sebagai Kitab2 pendahulu, kurang lebih sama > > > seperti umat Kristiani mengadopsi Taurat sebagai Perjanjian > > > Lama. > > > > > > Jadi komposisi quran seharusnya: Perjanjian Lama, Perjanjian > > > Baru dan Quran sebagai satu kesatuan Kitab Suci Islam. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Sab 8/6/13, Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > > > > > > > > >  Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > > >  [proletar] (unknown) > > > > > >  "proletar@yahoogroups.com" > > > <proletar@yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Negara-negara di dunia kafir membangun perdamaian, mau > > > dagang aja, nggak mau main bunuh-bunuhan lagi... > > > > > > > > > > > > Sementara itu orang Islam main teror dan saling berbunuhan > > > di Siria, Iraq, Yemen dll. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan mereka jadikan Indoneisa sebagai sarang teroris. > > > > > > > > > > > > Islam itu, saya bilang dan saya ulang adalah malapetaka > > > untuk ummat manusia, artinya juga malapetakan untuk orang > > > Islam sendiri. > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Obama calls for 'new model' at China summit > > > > > > > > > > > > US president and Chinese President Xi Jinping pledge to look > > > for a new way of co-operation on a slew of disputes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Last Modified: 08 Jun 2013 06:38 > > > > > > > > > > > > Al Jazeera's Rob Reynolds reports from Los Angeles on > > > the informal talks being hailed as 'historic' for > > > both countries > > > > > > > > > > > > The US president has said he welcomes the "peaceful > > > > > > > > > > > > rise" of China and that, despite inevitable areas of > > > tension, both > > > > > > > > > > > > countries want a co-operative relationship, as he and > > > Chinese President > > > > > > > > > > > > Xi Jinping began two days of meetings. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hosting Xi at a luxurious > > > > > > > > > > > > desert estate in southern California on Friday, Barack Obama > > > said he > > > > > > > > > > > > hoped to work together with China on cybersecurity, an issue > > > that has > > > > > > > > > > > > created friction between the two countries. > > > > > > > > > > > > Xi expressed the hope for deeper co-operation, saying China > > > and the > > > > > > > > > > > > United States could build a new model of "big > > > country" relations. > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking > > > > > > > > > > > > to reporters at the start of Friday's talks, Obama said > > > he wanted > > > > > > > > > > > > to achieve a "new model of co-operation" with > > > China - a goal many feel > > > > > > > > > > > > eluded him in his first term when dealing with former > > > Chinese president > > > > > > > > > > > > Hu Jintao. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Our decision to meet so early, I think, signifies the > > > > > > > > > > > > importance of the U.S.-China relationship. Itâs important > > > not only for > > > > > > > > > > > > the prosperity of our two countries and the security of our > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > > countries, but itâs also important for the Asia Pacific > > > region and > > > > > > > > > > > > important for the world," Obama said. > > > > > > > > > > > > Obama said it was in the interest of the US that China > > > continued on > > > > > > > > > > > > the path of success "because we believe that a peaceful > > > and stable and > > > > > > > > > > > > prosperous China is not only good for Chinese but also good > > > for the > > > > > > > > > > > > world and for the United States". > > > > > > > > > > > > Obama said as two of the world's largest economies, the > > > US and China were aiming to have a healthy economic > > > competition. > > > > > > > > > > > > But he added that the two nations had a "whole range of > > > challenges on which we have to cooperate". These, Obama > > > said, include North Korea and its nuclear and missile > > > programmes, nuclear proliferation and climate > > > > > > > > > > > > change. > > > > > > > > > > > > Obama urged Xi to stop reported Chinese hacking against > > > > > > > > > > > > the US, but his call could be overshadowed by new > > > revelations that > > > > > > > > > > > > Obama's own administration has been secretly collecting > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > about phone and internet use. > > > > > > > > > > > > The actions of both China and the US underscore the vast > > > > > > > > > > > > technological powers that governments can tap to gather > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > covertly from individuals, companies and other governments. > > > > > > > > > > > > Obama, seeking to keep the matter from trailing him through > > > two days > > > > > > > > > > > > of China meetings, addressed the surveillance programmes for > > > the first > > > > > > > > > > > > time on Friday morning. > > > > > > > > > > > > He said the efforts strike "the right balance" > > > between security and civil liberties as the US combats > > > terrorism. > > > > > > > > > > > > "You can't have 100 percent security and then also > > > have 100 percent > > > > > > > > > > > > privacy and zero inconvenience. We're going to have to > > > make some choices as a society," he said during a > > > health care event in Northern > > > > > > > > > > > > California. > > > > > > > > > > > > For his part, Xi said the talks would help chart the future > > > of China-US relations and "draw a blueprint for this > > > relationship". > > > > > > > > > > > > He said in more than 40 years the China-US relationship > > > "has gone through winds and rains and it made > > > historical progress". > > > > > > > > > > > > Obama, Xi and the future of US-China relations: An interview > > > with Professor David Zweig. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Our two peoples and the people elsewhere in the world > > > have reaped huge benefits from this," Xi said. > > > > > > > > > > > > "And at present, the China-U.S. relationship has > > > reached a new > > > > > > > > > > > > historical starting point. Our two countries have vast > > > convergence of > > > > > > > > > > > > shared interests, from promoting our respective economic > > > growth at home > > > > > > > > > > > > to ensuring the stability of the global economy." > > > > > > > > > > > > Xi said on all issues including dealing with international > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > regional hotspot and global challenges, the two countries > > > needed to > > > > > > > > > > > > increase exchanges and cooperation. > > > > > > > > > > > > "And under the new environment, we need to take a close > > > look at our > > > > > > > > > > > > bilateral relationship: What kind of China-U.S. relationship > > > do we both > > > > > > > > > > > > want?" Xi said. > > > > > > > > > > > > "What kind of cooperation can our two nations carry out > > > for mutual > > > > > > > > > > > > benefit? And how can our two nations join together to > > > promote peace and > > > > > > > > > > > > development in the world? These are things that not just the > > > people in > > > > > > > > > > > > our two countries are watching closely, but the whole world > > > is also > > > > > > > > > > > > watching very closely." > > > > > > > > > > > > Xi said he looked forward to in-depth communication with > > > Obama, > > > > > > > > > > > > adding he was confident the meeting would "achieve > > > positive outcomes and inject fresh momentum into the > > > China-U.S. relationship". > > > > > > > > > > > > Source: > > > > > > > > > > > > Al Jazeera and agencies > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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