haha..Pak Tawang ini nemu saja cara mengatasinya.. Jangan lama2 pak, nanti anak keburu dewasa loh...
On 6/8/2013 5:01 PM, Tawangalun wrote: > Sekedar untuk membedakan saja kalau Nama yg tertulis dibawah adalah > Tawangalun asli itu justru yg palsu,sedangkan kalau Nama yg tertulis dibawah > adalah Paulus Anak Wedus justru itulah Tawangalun asli. > La Talangalun alias Tawangalun palsu gak berani memasang Nama Dibawah dg > Paulus Anak Wedus soale takut kewalat.Ha ha ha. > > Paulus Anak Wedus. > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun" <tawangalun@...> wrote: >> >> Gak ada hubungan antara Kristennya bangsa dg kemajuan bangsa tsb. >> Eropah Amerika sekarang gereja2 sudah kosong harusnya teknologynya jadi >> tertinggal kenyataannya enggak kan. >> Amerika Latin masih banyak Kristen tapi sejak dulu gak maju2. >> Lalu Alkitabnya Katolik ternyata lebih banyak 180 halaman dibanding >> Alkitabnya Protestan,Saksi Yehovah juga.Jadi antara denominasi Kristen >> Alkitabnya beda2. >> Lalu soal nyontek,Kristen nyontek Perjanjian Lama mentah2 sebab >> Ulangan,Bilangan,Kejadian,Maleachi,Mazmur,Keluaran dll itu bukan Kitabnya >> Yesus tapi Nabi2 sebelumnya,tapi semua langsung ditelen.Nek Quran memang ada >> yg sama dg Alkitab ,asal yg masih asli yo sama wong satu sumber tapi kan >> Islam gak nelen mentah2 Perjanjian Lama dan Perjanjian Baru. >> >> Paulus Anak Wedus. >> >> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> wrote: >>> >>> Pak Ballast,sekedar berbagi info. >>> 1. Memang ada banyak versi Alkitab / Bible tetapi perbedaan yg ada hanya >>> bertalian dengan bahasanya. Misalnya, King James Bible bahasanya sudah >>> archaic (kuno) sehingga kurang difahami oleh jemaat masa kini. Tidak ada >>> perbedaan isi atau messaage dari kitab2 dan ayat2 Bible. >>> 2. Mnrt anda tidak logis kalau ada orang yg menyontek Perjanjian Lama dan >>> Perjanjian Baru. Kenyataan di lapangan banyak ayat2 Al Qur'an yg sangat >>> mirip dengan ayat2 Alkitab. Mungkin saja ini karena kebetulan. Yg jelas >>> Perjanjian Lama itu sudah dikenal, ditulis, diajarkan lebih dari 2,000 >>> tahun sebelum nuzul Al Qur'an. Perjanjian Baru sudah selesai ditulis pada >>> tahun 70 Masehi jadi lebih dari 600 tahun sebelum nuzul Qur'an. >>> 3.Salah satu contoh similarity / persamaan kita lihat dari Doa Yahudi >>> (P.L.) yg namanya Ha Patach dengan Surat Al Fatiha. (Dua hari yg lalu aku >>> kirim Ha Patach tsb.) >>> 4. Anda benar praktis tidak ada orang Kristen yg hafal ayat2 Alkitab. Perlu >>> kita pertanyakan apakah seseorang yg hafal ayat2 sebuah kitab suci, >>> otomatis menjadi orang yg baik? Lebih2 kalau kita ingat bhw sebagian besar >>> umat Islam tidak mengerti Bahasa Arab. Ini artinya bhw sebagian besar umat >>> Islam sebenarnya tidak mengerti apa yg mereka ikrarkan. >>> 5. Mungkin ada orang2 yg merasa puas kalau merussak, merobek2 Alkitab (for >>> that matter Al Qur'an dsb.) Bagi umat Kristiani Alkitab itu adalah sekedar >>> buku, karenanya tidak mungkin suci atau dapat membawa pahala. Yg sangat >>> penting adalah ajaran yg terkandung dalam Bible tsb. Kalau orang >>> mengamalkan ajaran yg mulia, maka orang tsb berkenan kpd Tuhan. >>> 6. Kalau anda jujur penganut agama mana yg (i) Kehidupannya secara umum >>> tidak mapan, tidak sejahtera? (ii) Umat beragama mana yg sepanjang sejarah >>> dan khususnya dlm sejak abad ke-15 ketinggalan kemajuan dlm banyak bidang: >>> science, health, politic, social dsb? (iii) Umat mana yg banyak trerlibat >>> dlm perseteruan, pembunuhan, kejahatan, anti sosial dan tindak terorisme? - >>> bahkan di antara umat yg seagama? (iv) Umat beragama mana yg masih >>> melakukan penindasan, pelecehan, thdp kaum perempuan? >>> >>> Wasalam >>> >>> Gabriella >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Ballast Yo <yo.balast@> >>> To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >>> Sent: Saturday, 8 June 2013 4:03 PM >>> Subject: Re: R: [proletar] Komposisi Quran >>> >>> >>> >>>  >>> hal yg jauh dari logika kalau ada suatu kitab mau mencontoh bibel. >>> tahu kenapa? >>> enggak kan? >>> itu krn bibel sendiri selalu direvisi. Orang kristen aja enggak ada yg >>> hapal kok. lagian ngapain dihapalin, di turki sudah ketemu injil yg lebih >>> sesuai. >>> dulu..ada orang israel/yahudi dikirimi bibel malah disobek2. itu tandanya >>> bhw bibel itu membuat pengaruh buruk thd bgs yahudi dan juga bagi bangsa2 >>> di dunia. faham? >>> >>> --- On Sat, 6/8/13, SA <susan_th45@> wrote: >>> >>>> From: SA <susan_th45@> >>> >>>> >>>> Kelemahan Islam adalah memplagiat dua Kitab Suci >>>> terdahulu,ingin membuat Kitab sendiri yang sempurna,ternyata >>>> semakin kelihatan jejak2 plagiatnya,semakin banyak ditemukan >>>> kontradiksi. >>>> >>>> Ketegangan soal Kitab Suci antar ketiga agama ini akan >>>> hilang atau berkurang, jika umat Islam menjadikan quran >>>> sebagai Kitab Suci mereka tetapi digandeng dengan Taurat >>>> dan Alkitab sebagai Kitab2 pendahulu, kurang lebih sama >>>> seperti umat Kristiani mengadopsi Taurat sebagai Perjanjian >>>> Lama. >>>> >>>> Jadi komposisi quran seharusnya: Perjanjian Lama, Perjanjian >>>> Baru dan Quran sebagai satu kesatuan Kitab Suci Islam. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- Sab 8/6/13, Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>  Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@> >>>> >>>>  [proletar] (unknown) >>>> >>>>  "proletar@yahoogroups.com" >>>> <proletar@yahoogroups.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>  >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Negara-negara di dunia kafir membangun perdamaian, mau >>>> dagang aja, nggak mau main bunuh-bunuhan lagi... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sementara itu orang Islam main teror dan saling berbunuhan >>>> di Siria, Iraq, Yemen dll. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dan mereka jadikan Indoneisa sebagai sarang teroris. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Islam itu, saya bilang dan saya ulang adalah malapetaka >>>> untuk ummat manusia, artinya juga malapetakan untuk orang >>>> Islam sendiri. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>  >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>  >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>  >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Obama calls for 'new model' at China summit >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> US president and Chinese President Xi Jinping pledge to look >>>> for a new way of co-operation on a slew of disputes. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Last Modified: 08 Jun 2013 06:38 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Al Jazeera's Rob Reynolds reports from Los Angeles on >>>> the informal talks being hailed as 'historic' for >>>> both countries >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The US president has said he welcomes the "peaceful >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> rise" of China and that, despite inevitable areas of >>>> tension, both >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> countries want a co-operative relationship, as he and >>>> Chinese President >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Xi Jinping began two days of meetings. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hosting Xi at a luxurious >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> desert estate in southern California on Friday, Barack Obama >>>> said he >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> hoped to work together with China on cybersecurity, an issue >>>> that has >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> created friction between the two countries. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Xi expressed the hope for deeper co-operation, saying China >>>> and the >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> United States could build a new model of "big >>>> country" relations. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Speaking >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> to reporters at the start of Friday's talks, Obama said >>>> he wanted >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> to achieve a "new model of co-operation" with >>>> China - a goal many feel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> eluded him in his first term when dealing with former >>>> Chinese president >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hu Jintao. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Our decision to meet so early, I think, signifies the >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> importance of the U.S.-China relationship. It’s important >>>> not only for >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> the prosperity of our two countries and the security of our >>>> two >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> countries, but it’s also important for the Asia Pacific >>>> region and >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> important for the world," Obama said. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Obama said it was in the interest of the US that China >>>> continued on >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> the path of success "because we believe that a peaceful >>>> and stable and >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> prosperous China is not only good for Chinese but also good >>>> for the >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> world and for the United States". >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Obama said as two of the world's largest economies, the >>>> US and China were aiming to have a healthy economic >>>> competition. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> But he added that the two nations had a "whole range of >>>> challenges on which we have to cooperate". These, Obama >>>> said, include North Korea and its nuclear and missile >>>> programmes, nuclear proliferation and climate >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> change. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Obama urged Xi to stop reported Chinese hacking against >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> the US, but his call could be overshadowed by new >>>> revelations that >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Obama's own administration has been secretly collecting >>>> information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> about phone and internet use. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The actions of both China and the US underscore the vast >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> technological powers that governments can tap to gather >>>> information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> covertly from individuals, companies and other governments. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Obama, seeking to keep the matter from trailing him through >>>> two days >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> of China meetings, addressed the surveillance programmes for >>>> the first >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> time on Friday morning. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> He said the efforts strike "the right balance" >>>> between security and civil liberties as the US combats >>>> terrorism. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "You can't have 100 percent security and then also >>>> have 100 percent >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> privacy and zero inconvenience. We're going to have to >>>> make some choices as a society," he said during a >>>> health care event in Northern >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> California. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> For his part, Xi said the talks would help chart the future >>>> of China-US relations and "draw a blueprint for this >>>> relationship". >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> He said in more than 40 years the China-US relationship >>>> "has gone through winds and rains and it made >>>> historical progress". >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Obama, Xi and the future of US-China relations: An interview >>>> with Professor David Zweig. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Our two peoples and the people elsewhere in the world >>>> have reaped huge benefits from this," Xi said. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "And at present, the China-U.S. relationship has >>>> reached a new >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> historical starting point. Our two countries have vast >>>> convergence of >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> shared interests, from promoting our respective economic >>>> growth at home >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> to ensuring the stability of the global economy." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Xi said on all issues including dealing with international >>>> and >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> regional hotspot and global challenges, the two countries >>>> needed to >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> increase exchanges and cooperation. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "And under the new environment, we need to take a close >>>> look at our >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> bilateral relationship: What kind of China-U.S. relationship >>>> do we both >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> want?" Xi said. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "What kind of cooperation can our two nations carry out >>>> for mutual >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> benefit? And how can our two nations join together to >>>> promote peace and >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> development in the world? These are things that not just the >>>> people in >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> our two countries are watching closely, but the whole world >>>> is also >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> watching very closely." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Xi said he looked forward to in-depth communication with >>>> Obama, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> adding he was confident the meeting would "achieve >>>> positive outcomes and inject fresh momentum into the >>>> China-U.S. relationship". >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Source: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Al Jazeera and agencies >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >> > > > ------------------------------------ Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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