Kok masih soal tukang tipu lagi.Soale menipu itu dalam perang dibolehkan,spionase juga boleh,kamuflase untuk nipu juga boleh,kan ceritanya gini:
Wong Yahudi merekayasa agar Yesus ditangkap dan diadili mati,mula2 Yesus dikejar tentara Romawi dipandu Yudas sebagai informan lalu Yesus diangkat kelangit,Lalu baik body ataupun suara Yudas diserupakan Yesus,akirnya Yesus palsu yg sebenarnya Yudas tsb yg ditangkap Romawi,makane dlm sidang Pontius Pilatus Yudas yg saksi kunci mestinya harus ada kok masak gak hadir soale dia sudah malih jadi Yesus.Nah TIPUAN begini halal dalam perang dg penjahat. Nah akirnya Yudaslah yg disalib,makane habis dipaku mbengoknya Elloi2 Tuhanku2 itu jelas bukan kebiasaan Yesus yg selalu memanggil Bapaku2. Lalu wong Kristen mbantah kayak lu, loh Allah kalau gitu gak adil kok Yudas yg disalib. Jawabnya:Yudas itu pengkianat Yesus dijual kpd Romawi untuk mendapat sekian ribu keping perak,dia pantas mati. Jadi tipu dayanya wong Yahudi mau mateni Yesus Nabi Allah bisa digagalkan Allah dg taktik yg briliant.Jadi satu2nya Nabi yg belum mati itu Yesus,dan nanti bakal diterjunkan kedunia lagi untuk memberikan kesaksian apa yg sesungguhnya terjadi. Jadi dalam perang menipu itu halal.Kadang senjata diselundupkan para gerilya dg ditimbun rumput didalam pedati,itu kan tipuan.Salahnya Yahudi dulu mau mateni Yesus ini kan ngajak perang dg Allah.Sudah mudeng belum kalau belum kamu goblok. Paulus Anak Wedus. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, itemabu2 <itemabu2@...> wrote: > > auloh lu itu ngaku sbg tukang tipu no 1. Masak sih kalah sama orang nipunya > shg ada orang yg "tertipu" masuk agama lain, bukan Islam? > > Jgn ngehina auloh yg udh ngaku sbg tukang tipu no 1, ga ada yg nipunya lbh > pinter dr auloh. Betul ga? > > > On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Omar moyo moyo <omarmoyo@...> wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > Tukang tipu > > > > orang masuk Kristen itu kebanyakan karena tertipu....ketipu2 > > > > ajaran Kristen benar.......? > > > > dimana benernya Ocehan sipaulus itu.........? > > > > ________________________________ > > From: itemabu2 <itemabu2@...> > > To: proletar <proletar@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 5:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Ilmuwan2 yg mualaf krn Riset > > > > > > Hehehe... pake jurus ngalihin perhatian krn ga ada ilmuwan Islam yg dipake > > sbg referensi unt ngebuktikan kebenaran QUran. > > > > Orang masuk Kristen bukan krn kibulan model Maurice Bucaille, tp krn > > nganggap ajaran Kristen itu benar dan baik. > > > > Coba lu jawab, knp Maurice Bucaille dan Ketih Moore itu ga mau masuk Islam > > sampe orang Islam hrs ngibul bhw mereka masuk Islam? > > > > On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Tawangalun <tawangalun@...> wrote: > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > Aku heran wong Kristen kok gak ada yg ngeclaim ada ilmuwan yg menjadi > > > kristen krn ayat Alkitab,but Islam.Jadi Alkitab kalah canggih ya TEM. > > > > > > Paulus Anak Wedus. > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, itemabu2 <itemabu2@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Orang itu saling bekajar dr orang lain, itu normal. > > > > > > > > Tp orang Islam ngaku Quran sbg sumber iptek atau segala macam kibulan > > > > lainnya. Lalu, penemuan iptek apa yg bersumber dr QUran? Kagak ada tuh. > > > > > > > > Kl dr hadis sih masih ada, misalnya air wudhu lalat atau kencing onta > > sbg > > > > obat. Cuma ga dimanfaatkan aja oleh orang Islam krn mereka ogah unt > > mati > > > > sbg syuhada. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@ > > ...>wrote: > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ya ketika itu orang Islam belajar dari kafir, seperti dari ilmuwan > > dan > > > > > filsuf Yunani.. > > > > > > > > > > Dan jangan lupa: angka nol itu adalah fikirn orang India... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, itemabu2 <itemabu2@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Kalo ada ilmuwan orang Islam di TImTeng jaman dulu, itu ga ada > > > hubungan > > > > > > dgn Islam, krn di TimTeng itu iptek udh relatif berkembang, jadi > > > iptek yg > > > > > > ada di sana bukan dr Islam, tp dr peradaban yg udh ada di situ > > > sebelum > > > > > ada > > > > > > Islam. > > > > > > > > > > > > Islam itulah yg mematikan iptek di TimTeng. Makanya waktu Eropa > > > bangkit > > > > > dr > > > > > > jaman kegelapan, dunia Arab kembali ke jaman batu persis spt apa yg > > > ada > > > > > di > > > > > > gurun Arab dimana ga ada apa2. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Omar moyo moyo <omarmoyo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mana dia tahu kalau Alhazen itu tempat Ilmuawan belajar > > > > > > > bikin pinhole,Slr hingga,digital camera...masalahnya > > > itutuh........... > > > > > > > ............Dia nggak bakal mengakui itu karena lu bukan ilmuwan, > > > > > > > melainkan ustat palsu, hehe.. > > > > > > > ============================ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the 10th century, Persian scientist Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen) > > > wrote > > > > > > > about naturally-occurring rudimentary pinhole cameras. > > > > > > > For example, light may travel through the slits of wicker baskets > > > or > > > > > the > > > > > > > crossing of tree leaves.[2] (The circular dapples on a forest > > > floor, > > > > > > > actually pinhole images of the sun, can be seen to have a bite > > > taken > > > > > out of > > > > > > > them during partial solar > > > > > > > eclipses opposite to the position of the moon's actual > > occultation > > > of > > > > > > > the sun because of the inverting effect of pinhole lenses.) > > > > > > > Alhazen published this idea in the Book of Optics in 1021 AD. He > > > > > improved > > > > > > > on the camera after realizing that the smaller > > > > > > > the pinhole, the sharper the image (though the less light). He > > > provides > > > > > > > the first clear description for construction of a camera obscura > > > (Lat. > > > > > > > dark chamber). > > > > > > > In the 5th century BC, the Mohist philosopher Mozi (Ñ Ð²Ð¸Ñ Ð½ ) > > > > > > > in > > > ancient > > > > > China > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned the effect of an inverted image forming through a > > > > > pinhole.[3] The > > > > > > > image of an inverted Chinese pagoda is mentioned in Duan > > > Chengshi's (d. > > > > > > > 863) book Miscellaneous Morsels from Youyang written during the > > > Tang > > > > > > > Dynasty (618ÑÐ"907).[4] Along with experimenting with the > > > > > > > pinhole > > > > > camera and > > > > > > > the burning mirror of the ancient Mohists, the Song Dynasty > > > > > (960ÑÐ"1279 CE) > > > > > > > Chinese scientist Shen Kuo (1031ÑÐ"1095) experimented with > > > > > > > camera > > > > > obscura and > > > > > > > > > > > > was the first to establish geometrical and quantitative > > attributes > > > for > > > > > > > it.[4] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ancient pinhole camera effect caused by balistrarias in the > > > > > Castelgrande > > > > > > > in Bellinzona > > > > > > > In the 13th century, Robert Grosseteste and Roger Bacon commented > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > > pinhole camera.[5] Between 1000 and 1600, men such as Ibn > > > al-Haytham, > > > > > Gemma > > > > > > > Frisius, and Giambattista della Porta wrote on the pinhole > > camera, > > > > > > > explaining why the images are upside down. > > > > > > > Around 1600, Giambattista della Porta added a lens to the pinhole > > > > > > > camera.[6][7] It was not until 1850 that a Scottish scientist by > > > the > > > > > name > > > > > > > of Sir David Brewster actually took the first photograph with a > > > pinhole > > > > > > > camera. Up until > > > > > > > recently it was believed that Brewster himself coined the term > > > > > "Pinhole" > > > > > > > in "The Stereoscope"[citation needed]. The earliest reference to > > > the > > > > > term > > > > > > > "Pinhole" has been traced back to > > > > > > > almost a century before Brewster to James Ferguson's Lectures on > > > select > > > > > > > Subjects.[8][9] Sir William Crookes and William de Wiveleslie > > Abney > > > > > were > > > > > > > other early photographers to try the pinhole technique.[10] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: ajeg <ajegilelu@> > > > > > > > > > > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 4:48 AM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [proletar] Ilmuwan2 yg mualaf krn Riset > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nggak ada yang perlu diributkan ketika ilmuwan Barat > > > > > > > menghormati dan memakai buah pemikiran Al-Haytham (bukan > > > > > > > alitem) atau yang mereka kenal sebagai Alhazen. Lu kira > > > > > > > yang namanya lensa, mikroskop, dan segala perkara optik itu > > > > > > > berawal dari pemikiran siapa? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Di kalangan ilmuwan Barat, Alhazen malah disebut sebagai > > > > > > > ilmuwan pertama. Alias orang pertama yang menyusun teori > > > > > > > berdasarkan metode ilmiah. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lu nggak bakal mengakui itu karena lu bukan ilmuwan, > > > > > > > melainkan ustat palsu, hehe... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- itemabu2 <itemabu2@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knp ga ada "ilmuwan" muslim yg dijadikan referensi? 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