Yang saya maksud itu orang yg baca Alkitab dulu lalu kok cocok dg ilmu yg dia geluti baru dia converse gitu Fiq.Jadi ada proses via Alkitab dulu.Ada gak Fiq yg gitu.
Paulus Anak Wedus. --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@...> wrote: > > > Nih..baca... > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Collins > > Saya kutip.. > > "Collins also wrote the New York Times bestseller, The Language of God: A > Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief, which discusses Collins' conversion > from atheism to Christianity, evaluates the evidence for Christianity, and > argues for theistic evolution.[2] > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Tawangalun" <tawangalun@> wrote: > > > > Aku heran wong Kristen kok gak ada yg ngeclaim ada ilmuwan yg menjadi > > kristen krn ayat Alkitab,but Islam.Jadi Alkitab kalah canggih ya TEM. > > > > Paulus Anak Wedus. > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, itemabu2 <itemabu2@> wrote: > > > > > > Orang itu saling bekajar dr orang lain, itu normal. > > > > > > Tp orang Islam ngaku Quran sbg sumber iptek atau segala macam kibulan > > > lainnya. Lalu, penemuan iptek apa yg bersumber dr QUran? Kagak ada tuh. > > > > > > Kl dr hadis sih masih ada, misalnya air wudhu lalat atau kencing onta sbg > > > obat. Cuma ga dimanfaatkan aja oleh orang Islam krn mereka ogah unt mati > > > sbg syuhada. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@>wrote: > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ya ketika itu orang Islam belajar dari kafir, seperti dari ilmuwan dan > > > > filsuf Yunani.. > > > > > > > > Dan jangan lupa: angka nol itu adalah fikirn orang India... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, itemabu2 <itemabu2@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Kalo ada ilmuwan orang Islam di TImTeng jaman dulu, itu ga ada > > > > > hubungan > > > > > dgn Islam, krn di TimTeng itu iptek udh relatif berkembang, jadi > > > > > iptek yg > > > > > ada di sana bukan dr Islam, tp dr peradaban yg udh ada di situ sebelum > > > > ada > > > > > Islam. > > > > > > > > > > Islam itulah yg mematikan iptek di TimTeng. Makanya waktu Eropa > > > > > bangkit > > > > dr > > > > > jaman kegelapan, dunia Arab kembali ke jaman batu persis spt apa yg > > > > > ada > > > > di > > > > > gurun Arab dimana ga ada apa2. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Omar moyo moyo <omarmoyo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mana dia tahu kalau Alhazen itu tempat Ilmuawan belajar > > > > > > bikin pinhole,Slr hingga,digital camera...masalahnya > > > > > > itutuh........... > > > > > > ............Dia nggak bakal mengakui itu karena lu bukan ilmuwan, > > > > > > melainkan ustat palsu, hehe.. > > > > > > ============================ > > > > > > > > > > > > In the 10th century, Persian scientist Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen) > > > > > > wrote > > > > > > about naturally-occurring rudimentary pinhole cameras. > > > > > > For example, light may travel through the slits of wicker baskets or > > > > the > > > > > > crossing of tree leaves.[2] (The circular dapples on a forest floor, > > > > > > actually pinhole images of the sun, can be seen to have a bite taken > > > > out of > > > > > > them during partial solar > > > > > > eclipses opposite to the position of the moon's actual occultation > > > > > > of > > > > > > the sun because of the inverting effect of pinhole lenses.) > > > > > > Alhazen published this idea in the Book of Optics in 1021 AD. He > > > > improved > > > > > > on the camera after realizing that the smaller > > > > > > the pinhole, the sharper the image (though the less light). He > > > > > > provides > > > > > > the first clear description for construction of a camera obscura > > > > > > (Lat. > > > > > > dark chamber). > > > > > > In the 5th century BC, the Mohist philosopher Mozi (墨å ) in > > > > > > ancient > > > > China > > > > > > > > > > mentioned the effect of an inverted image forming through a > > > > pinhole.[3] The > > > > > > image of an inverted Chinese pagoda is mentioned in Duan Chengshi's > > > > > > (d. > > > > > > 863) book Miscellaneous Morsels from Youyang written during the Tang > > > > > > Dynasty (618â"907).[4] Along with experimenting with the pinhole > > > > camera and > > > > > > the burning mirror of the ancient Mohists, the Song Dynasty > > > > (960â"1279 CE) > > > > > > Chinese scientist Shen Kuo (1031â"1095) experimented with camera > > > > obscura and > > > > > > > > > > was the first to establish geometrical and quantitative attributes > > > > > > for > > > > > > it.[4] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ancient pinhole camera effect caused by balistrarias in the > > > > Castelgrande > > > > > > in Bellinzona > > > > > > In the 13th century, Robert Grosseteste and Roger Bacon commented on > > > > the > > > > > > pinhole camera.[5] Between 1000 and 1600, men such as Ibn > > > > > > al-Haytham, > > > > Gemma > > > > > > Frisius, and Giambattista della Porta wrote on the pinhole camera, > > > > > > explaining why the images are upside down. > > > > > > Around 1600, Giambattista della Porta added a lens to the pinhole > > > > > > camera.[6][7] It was not until 1850 that a Scottish scientist by the > > > > name > > > > > > of Sir David Brewster actually took the first photograph with a > > > > > > pinhole > > > > > > camera. Up until > > > > > > recently it was believed that Brewster himself coined the term > > > > "Pinhole" > > > > > > in "The Stereoscope"[citation needed]. The earliest reference to the > > > > term > > > > > > "Pinhole" has been traced back to > > > > > > almost a century before Brewster to James Ferguson's Lectures on > > > > > > select > > > > > > Subjects.[8][9] Sir William Crookes and William de Wiveleslie Abney > > > > were > > > > > > other early photographers to try the pinhole technique.[10] > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: ajeg <ajegilelu@> > > > > > > > > > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 4:48 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [proletar] Ilmuwan2 yg mualaf krn Riset > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nggak ada yang perlu diributkan ketika ilmuwan Barat > > > > > > menghormati dan memakai buah pemikiran Al-Haytham (bukan > > > > > > alitem) atau yang mereka kenal sebagai Alhazen. Lu kira > > > > > > yang namanya lensa, mikroskop, dan segala perkara optik itu > > > > > > berawal dari pemikiran siapa? > > > > > > > > > > > > Di kalangan ilmuwan Barat, Alhazen malah disebut sebagai > > > > > > ilmuwan pertama. Alias orang pertama yang menyusun teori > > > > > > berdasarkan metode ilmiah. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lu nggak bakal mengakui itu karena lu bukan ilmuwan, > > > > > > melainkan ustat palsu, hehe... > > > > > > > > > > > > --- itemabu2 <itemabu2@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knp ga ada "ilmuwan" muslim yg dijadikan referensi? 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