Dari "Collins", salah satunya: A virgin is someone who has never had sex. (Memang ga bersangkut paut dg usia ataupun jenis kelamin kan?, Jadinya kalau disetarakan dg "perempuan muda" maupun "anak dara" sudah menjurus ke preconditioning)
BTW, tak kutipkan Is 7:14 The Gideons: Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. LAI 06 Sebab itu Tuhan sendirilah yang akan memberikan kepadamu suatu pertanda: Sesungguhnya, seorang perempuan muda mengandung dan akan melahirkan seorang anak laki-laki, dan ia akan menamakan Dia Imanuel. LAI 76 Maka sebab itu diberikan Tuhan sendiri suatu tanda alamat kepadamu kelak: Bahwasanya anak dara itu akan mengandung dan beranakkan laki-laki seorang dan dinamainya akan dia Imanuel Per nubuatan: Sudahkah lahir bayi dimaksud, yang bernama demikian? --- In [email protected], "ndeboost" <rambitesemak@...> wrote: > > "both Ôalmah and Ôelem, the MASCULINE form of the > word............" > > "Virgin" kesehariannya setahu saya boleh disandang sampai yang > bersangkutan, pria atau wanita, uzur atau hingga mati dimakan umur, ga > ada sangkut pautnya sama usia atau jenis kelamin. Di Is 7:14 (Terjemahan > Baru, "SABDA"), dipakai "perempuan muda", di Terjemahan Lama, "anak > dara". The Gideaons "virgin". Keknya Tuhan, KATEBE, milih anak dara > (bukan "dara" namun "anak dara") yang beda usianya terpaut > jauuuuuuuu.................t utk "nitip" anak sekalian diri sendiri ya? > > Pautan usia Yusuf (nan duda) vs Maria amat sangat jauh ya? > > > --- In [email protected], Richan S richansitumorang@ wrote: > > > > pak tawangalun, > > > > saya sudah baca uraian anda, dan benar apa yang anda utarakan tertulis > > di ensiklopedia katolik tersebut tetapi saya tidak menemukan referensi > > kuat yang mendukung pernyataan ensiklopedia tersebut. penekanan "A > > Virgin" dalam bible (Yesaya 7:14 dan Matius 1:23) bukan semata-mata > > menekankan usia. walaupun dalam Bible LAI "A Virgin" diterjemahkan > "Anak > > dara" lalu anak dara diprediksikan umurnya sekitar 12 sampai 14 tahun. > > > > "Hebrew lexicographers are agreed that Ôalmah is from the root > Ôalam, > > "to be [sexually] mature," Both Ôalmah and Ôelem, the masculine > form of > > the word, clearly denote physical maturity, but there is no absolute > > evidence as to whether they indicate marital status. Under the > guidance > > of the Holy Spirit, Matthew applies Isaiah's prediction to Christ, and > > in doing so uses the word parthenos, which strictly means "virgin" and > > nothing else." > > > > A Virgin (Ôalmah) dalam Yesaya menekankan seorang wanita yang > matang > > membuahi tanpa mengindahkan apakah sudah menikah atau tidak. Dan > Matius > > menekankan bahwa maria seorang yang masih suci atau perawan. Keduanya > > jadi klop. > > > > === > > Nubuatan Yesaya 7:14 digenapi pada Matius 1:23, sehingga kita bisa > > mengambil kesimpulan dari dalam bible bahwa Maria yang sudah matang > > untuk dibuahi namun masih perawan. Sementara usia Maria ketika > > mengandung tidak dijelaskan. > > > > rs > > > > On 1/14/2011 12:13 PM, Tawangalun wrote: > > > > > > Inilah sumbernya : > > > > > > Ensiklopedia Katholik bahwa Maria (ibunda Yesus) yang diduga > > > berusia sekitar 12-14 tahun telah dinikahi oleh Yusuf (Joseph)Tukang > > > Kayu yang > > > diduga telah berusia 90 tahun! > > > Ensiklopedia Katholik > > > Online : http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08504a.htm > > > Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age. Joseph, who was at the > > > time ninety > > > years old, went up to Jerusalem among the candidates...that St. > Joseph > > > was an old > > > man at the time of marriage with the Mother of God. > > > Terjemahan. > > > "Maria, kemudian berumur 12 hingga 14 tahun, Yusuf, yang pada waktu > > > itu sedang > > > berumur 90 tahun, pergi ke Yerusalem diantara kandidat-kandidat..... > > > bahwa St. > > > Yusuf adalah seorang lelaki tua pada waktu menikahi ibunya Tuhan." > > > Dalam Injil Perjanjian Baru memang dikatakan bahwa Yusuf tidak > > > berhubungan badan > > > dengan Maria ketika ia mengandung Yesus dan Yesus bukan benih dari > > > Yusuf. Tetapi > > > mengenai masalah persetubuhan ini Injil Matius menyatakan : > > > Injil Matius 1:24-25 TB > > > "Sesudah bangun dari tidurnya, Yusuf berbuat seperti yang > > > diperintahkan malaikat > > > Tuhan itu kepadanya. Ia mengambil Maria sebagai isterinya, tetapi > tidak > > > bersetubuh dengan dia sampai ia melahirkan anaknya laki-laki dan > Yusuf > > > menamakan > > > Dia Yesus". > > > Jadi menurut Injil Matius, Yusuf tidak bersetubuh dengan dia sampai > > > Yesus lahir. > > > Seandainya Injil Matius hendak menyatakan kepada kita mengenai > > > persetubuhan > > > Yusuf-Maria itu tidak pernah ada selama masa hidup mereka, maka > Injil > > > Matiua > > > akan mengatakan : > > > "dan ia tidak pernah bersetubuh dengan dia" atau "dan ia sama sekali > tidak > > > pernah bersetubuh dengan dia". > > > Bukan : > > > "tetapi tidak bersetubuh dengan dia sampai ia melahirkan" (Matius > 1:25). > > > Jadi menurut Injil Matius 1:25, Yusuf hanya tidak bersetubuh dengan > > > Maria saat > > > ia hamil. Atau dengan kata lain, Yusuf bersetubuh setelah Maria > melahirkan > > > Yesus, yang artinya Yusuf bersetubuh dengan seorang wanita berusia > > > 13-15 tahun. > > > Jika Ekstrimis Kristen menyatakan kriteria pedofilia adalah > > > berhubungan seks > > > dengan pasangan dibawah usia 17 tahun artinya pasangan suci ini > > > (sebagaimana > > > kepercayaan kristen) telah menjalin dan melakukan hubungan > pedofilia. > > > Selain itu, kita dapat pula menyimpulkan bahwa tidak ada batasan > umur > > > pernikahan > > > dalam literatur kitab suci Kristen sekalipun, contohnya adalah Maria > yang > > > dinikahi Yusuf pada usia 12-14 tahun. > > > Sumber: > > > History of Joseph the Carpenter > > > 3. Now when righteous Joseph became a widower, my mother Mary, > > > blessed,holy, and > > > pure, was already twelve years old. For her parents offered her > > > in the temple when she was three years of age, and she remained in > the > > > temple of > > > the Lord nine years. Then when the priests saw that the virgin, holy > and > > > God-fearing, was growing up, they spoke to each other, saying: Let > us > > > search out > > > a man, righteous and pious, to whom Mary may be entrusted until the > > > time of her > > > marriage; lest, if she remain in the temple, it happen to her as is > > > wont to > > > happen to women, and lest on that account we sin, and God be angry > > > with us. > > > 4. Therefore they immediately sent out, and assembled twelve old men > > > of the > > > tribe of Judah. And they wrote down the names of the twelve tribes > of > > > Israel. And the lot fell upon the pious old man, righteous Joseph. > > > Then the > > > priests answered, and said to my blessed mother: Go with Joseph, and > > > be with him > > > till the time of your marriage. Righteous Joseph therefore received > my > > > mother, > > > and led her away to his own house. And Mary found James the Less in > > > his father's > > > house, broken-hearted and sad on account of the loss of his mother, > > > and she > > > brought him up. Hence Mary was called the mother of James.[1] > > > Thereafter Joseph > > > left her at home, and went away to the shop where he wrought at his > > > trade of a > > > carpenter. And after the holy virgin had spent two years in his > house > > > her age > > > was exactly fourteen years, including the time at which he received > her. > > > Sumber: > > > THE GOSPEL OF THE NATIVITY OF MARY > > > CHAP. 8.--Now there was among the rest Joseph, of the house and > family > > > of David, > > > a man of great age: and when all brought there rods, according to > the > > > order, he > > > alone withheld his. Wherefore, when nothing in conformity with the > > > divine voice > > > appeared, the high priest thought it necessary to consult God a > second > > > time; and > > > He answered, that of those who had been designated, he alone to whom > > > the virgin > > > ought to be espoused had not brought his rod. Joseph, therefore, was > > > found out. > > > For when he had brought his rod, and the dove came from heaven; and > > > settled upon > > > the top of it, it clearly appeared to all that he was the man to > whom > > > the virgin > > > should be espoused. Therefore, the usual ceremonies of betrothal > > > having been > > > gone through, he went back to the city of Bethlehem to put his house > > > in order, > > > and to procure things necessary for the marriage. But Mary, the > virgin > > > of the > > > Lord, with seven other virgins of her own age, and who had been > weaned > > > at the > > > same time, whom she had received from the priest, returned to the > > > house of her > > > parents in Galilee. > > > Sumber: > > > Injil James > > > VIII. 1 And her parents gat them down marveling, and praising the > Lord God > > > because tile child was not turned away backward. > > > And Mary was in the temple of the Lord as a dove that is nurtured: > and she > > > received food from the hand of an angel. > > > 2 And when she was twelve years old, there was a council of the > > > priests, saying: > > > Behold Mary is become twelve years old in the temple of the Lord. > What > > > then > > > shall we do with her ? lest she pollute the sanctuary of the Lord. > And > > > they said > > > unto the high priest: Thou standest over the altar of the Lord. > Enter > > > in and > > > pray concerning her: And whatsoever the Lord shall reveal to thee, > > > that let us > > > do. > > > 3 And the high priest took the vestment with the twelve bells and > went > > > in unto > > > the Holy of Holies and prayed concerning her. And lo, an angel of > tile > > > Lord > > > appeared saying unto him: Zacharias, Zacharias~ go forth and > assemble > > > them that > > > are widowers of the people, and let them bring every man a rod, and > to > > > whomsoever the Lord shall show a sign, his wife shall she be. And > the > > > heralds > > > went forth over all the country round about Judaea, and the trumpet > of > > > the Lord > > > sounded, and all men ran thereto. > > > IX. 1 And Joseph cast down his adze and ran to meet them, and when > > > they were > > > gathered together they went to the high priest and took their rods > > > with them. > > > And he took the rods of them all and went into the temple and > prayed. > > > And when > > > he had finished the prayer he took the rods and went forth and gave > > > them back to > > > them: and there was no sign upon them. But Joseph received the last > > > rod: and 1o, > > > a dove came forth of the rod and flew upon the bead of Joseph. And > the > > > priest > > > said unto Joseph: Unto thee hath it fallen to take the virgin of the > > > Lord and > > > keep her for thyself. 2 And Joseph refused, saying: I have sons, and > I > > > am an old > > > man, but she is a girl: lest I became a laughing-stock to the > children of > > > Israel. And the priest said unto Joseph: Year the Lord thy God, and > > > remember > > > what things God did unto Dathan and Abiram and Korah, how the earth > > > clave and > > > they were swallowed up because of their gainsaying. And now fear > thou, > > > Joseph, > > > lest it be so in thine house. And Joseph was afraid, and took her to > > > keep her > > > for himself. And Joseph said unto Mary: Lo, I have received thee out > > > of the > > > temple of the Lord: and now do I leave thee in my house, and I go > away > > > to build > > > my buildings and I will come again unto thee. The Lord shall watch > > > over thee. > > > Daftar Pustaka : > > > - http://www.answering-christianity.com/age_of_mary.htm > > > - Ensiklopedia Katholik newadvent.org > > > Catatan: > > > Saya membaca artikel Age of Mary when she had Jesus, dimana artikel > > > tsb merujuk > > > Enskiklopedia Katholik dengan alamat > > > http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15464b.htm. > > > Tetapi setelah saya cek, tampaknya Kristen `gerah' sehingga mereka > > > merubahnya. > > > Dan kini saya masih menemukan pernyataan tsb di > > > http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08504a.htm . Saya harap Kristen > tidak > > > merevisi > > > kalimat tsb. > > > Baca Juga: > > > > http://datakristen.blogspot.com/2007/09/pedofilia-balita-dan-teror-bible\ \ > .html > > > > http://datakristen.blogspot.com/2007/09/apakah-yusuf-suami-maria-pedofil\ \ > ia.html > > > > > > Shalom, > > > Tawangalun. > > > N.B.Kasihan bener Maria itu dapat suami wis tikluk tikluk 90 th. > > > > > > --- In [email protected] <mailto:proletar%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > Richan S richansitumorang@ wrote: > > > > > > > > "Maria juga kan Dia dikawin kakek tua 90 th bernama Yusuf ketika > masih > > > > 14 th." > > > > > > > > dalilnya mana, jangan ngarang terus..! enggak bosan kah? > > > > > > > > rs > > > > > > > > On 1/14/2011 6:14 AM, Tawangalun wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Pertama data Grepe fitnah,hadis menyebutkan Nabi serumah dg > Aisyah > > > > > ketika 9 th.Aturan Islam jelas hubungan suami istri syaratnya > kalau > > > > > M.Jadi baik nurut Islam maupun Alkitab Nabi gak melanggar.Saya > akui > > > > > memang nglanggar KUHP,tapi Maria juga kan Dia dikawin kakaek tua > > > 90 th > > > > > bernama Yusuf ketika masih 14 th.Jadi baik Aisyah atau Maria > hanya > > > > > nglanggar KUHP. > > > > > Jadi jawabnya Nabi mengawini Aisyah baik sebagai manusia ataupun > nabi > > > > > rapopo gak janggal.Jadi Grepe masih perlu njawab Yesus ketika > disalib > > > > > sebagai Tuhan opo uwong? masih ada kejanggalan yg perlu dijawab. > > > > > > > > > > Shalom, > > > > > Tawangalun. > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected] > > > <mailto:proletar%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:proletar%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > "great.pretender2000" <great.pretender2000@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Muhammad itu utusan Qwloh yang pedofil, 6 thn gadis di embat, > buta > > > > > huruf sih > > > > > > buta huruf, tapi mata-nya celak liat belahan daging mengkal... > > > > > > > > > > > > gp > > > > > > > > > > > > 2010/11/8 David Silalahi <davidfr766hi@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ngawur. > > > > > > > yang lebih banyak meributkan itu justru atheis. > > > > > > > coba lihat saja website faithfreedom, disitu semua mayoritas > > > berisi > > > > > > > atheis yang mempersoalkan pedofilia. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/7/10, ndeboost > > > <rambitesemak@<rambitesemak%40rocketmail.com>> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Rasanya umat Islam ga meributkan masalah pernikahan ini > > > namun diluar > > > > > > > > Islam terutama Kristen. Mereka ini (Kristen) rajin sekali > > > memaparkan > > > > > > > > masalah pernikahan ini dan ga ada jemunya meski sdh kita > > > respon. > > > > > Dasar > > > > > > > > yang dipakai adalah terutama etika (yg setiap zaman > bergeser) > > > > > terutama > > > > > > > > pedofil, bukan dari kitab yang mereka imani. 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