Bener kan bahwa kertasnya Al Qur'an ga sesuai utk pengganti roll tissue? Sekarang sdh nurutkan pakai yg lebih tipis, lebih lunak dan ga usah nyetok banyak atau lebih sering beli karena yg nDeboost usulkan lebih tebal?
--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: > > Hehehe.... emangnya apa salahnya ngebakar kitab yg ngehalalin merkosa, > pedophilia, ngerampok, ngebunuh, perbudakan, ngibul dll? > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: ndeboost rambitesemak@... > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 5:36:01 PM > Subject: [proletar] Re: More On Koran Burning > > > Kertas Al Qur'an kurang empuk sbg pengganti roll-tissue. Ada kok yg > lebih pas, dan lebih tebal lagi. Apa lagi bila sdh kedaluwarsa, > ketimbang menuhin lemari. > > Utk dipakai kompos? Ga ekonomis. Disamping labourous juga mahal. Satu Al > Qur'an (atau buku sucimu) bekas bisa utk beli 10 kg kompos siap pakai. > Bahan hidro karbon perlu lk 3 bulan (cara standard) agar jadi kompos. > Namun kalau ngotot, ya boleh juga. 'Mangnya @dapurmu perlu komopos? Utk > make up? Utk dimakan? Kompos ga baik utk pencernaanmu, kecuali kamu ikut > Nabi Nuh saat banjir besar. Perahunya terkatung-katung, KATEBE, hampir > setahun. Ga ada pemasok nawarin logistik, jadi makanan yg di stok either > habis, jadi kompos atau penumpangnya saling mangsa. > > Utk dibakar? Polusi. Utk bahan bakar mungkin lebih baik. Sekalian mainan > abunya, ketimbang "mainan" semangka. Kamu kan masa kecil ga bahagia? > Atau kamuflase, stok (sisa) Al Qur'an palsu pura-puranya dibakar, > ketimbang ketahuan petugas dan jadi masalah legal. Kan tetangga > seringnya malsu Al Qur'an? > > Keknya ga ada umat Islam pada malsu atau mbakarin Bibel. Biasanya yg > dipalsu kwalitasnya sangat bagus. mBakarin Bibel? Wekekekek.., sayang. > Kan di simpan bisa jadi barang antik? > > Cuma nDeboost pengin tahu, mbakar dan melecehkan Al Qur'an 'mangnya > ajaran Yesus apa iblis? > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu itemabu@ wrote: > > > > Gua pribadi sih ga setuju kalo Quran dibakar begitu aja, itu cuma > ngerusak > > alam, nambah karbon dioksida dan nyia2kan kertas yg dibuat dr pohon. > > > > Drpd Quran dibakar begitu aja, mendingan Quran itu dipake kertasnya > buat > > bersihin pantat abis beol misalnya. Atau, bisa jg Quran dibuang ke dlm > tempat > > taik biar cepat jadi kompos. > > > > Betul ga tuh yg gua bilang? > > > > > > > http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/263916/more-koran-burning-andrew-c-\ \ > mccarthy > > > > > > More On Koran Burning > > April 5, 2011 10:59 A.M. > > By Andrew C. McCarthy > > Jonah, my problem with the Koran burning stunt is that it is > > counterproductive. I hear what youââ¬â¢re saying about decency. But > on that score, > > I donââ¬â¢t find the burning any more offensive in principle than I > do its opposite > > extreme: the bizarro hyper-reverence with which the Koran is handled > by the > > Defense Department. > > Down at Gitmo, the Defense Department gives the Koran to each of the > terrorists > > even though DoD knows they interpret it (not without reason) to > command them to > > kill the people who gave it to them. To underscore our precious > sensitivity to > > Muslims, standard procedure calls for the the book to be handled only > by Muslim > > military personnel. Sometimes, though, that is not possible for > various > > reasons. If, as a last resort, one of our non-Muslim troops must > handle or > > transport the book, he must wear white gloves, and he is further > instructed > > primarily to use the right hand (indulging Muslim cultureââ¬â¢s > taboo about the > > sinister left hand). The book is to be conveyed to the prisoners in a > ââ¬Å"reverent > > mannerââ¬ï¿½ inside a ââ¬Å"clean dry towel.ââ¬ï¿½ This is a > nod to Islamic teaching that > > infidels are so low a form of life that they should not be touched > (as > > Ayatollah Ali Sistani teaches, non-Muslims are ââ¬Å"considered in > the same > > category as urine, feces, semen, dead bodies, blood, dogs, pigs, > alcoholic > > liquors,ââ¬ï¿½ and ââ¬Å"the sweat of an animal who persistently > eats [unclean things].ââ¬ï¿½ > > This is every bit as indecent as torching the Koran, implicitly > endorsing as it > > does the very dehumanization of non-Muslims that leads to terrorism. > > Furthermore, there is hypocrisy to consider: the Defense Department > now piously > > condemning Koran burning is the same Defense Department that itself > did not > > give a second thought to confiscating and burning bibles in > Afghanistan. > > Quite consciously, U.S. commanders ordered this purge in deference to > sharia > > proscriptions against the proselytism of faiths other than Islam. And > as > > General Petraeus well knows, his chain of command is not the only one > destroying > > bibles. Non-Muslim religious artifacts, including bibles, are torched > or > > otherwise destroyed in Islamic countries every single day as a matter > of > > standard operating procedure. (See, e.g., my 2007 post on Saudi > government > > guidelines that prohibit Jews and Christians from bringing bibles, > crucifixes, > > Stars of David, etc., into the country ââ¬" and, of course, not > just non-Muslim > > accessories but non-Muslim people are barred from entering Mecca and > most of > > Medina, based on the classical interpretation of an injunction found > in what > > Petraeus is fond of calling the Holy Qurââ¬â¢an (sura 9:28: > ââ¬Å"Truly the pagans are > > unclean . . . so let them not . . . approach the sacred > mosqueââ¬ï¿½). > > I donââ¬â¢t like book burning either, but I think there are > different kinds of book > > burnings. One is done for purposes of censorship ââ¬" the attempt > to purge the > > world of every copy of a book to make it as if the sentiments > expressed never > > existed. A good modern example is Cambridge University Pressââ¬â¢s > shameful pulping > > of all known copies of Alms for Jihad (see Stanleyââ¬â¢s 2007 post > on that). The > > other kind of burning is done as symbolic condemnation. Thatââ¬â¢s > what I think > > Terry Jones was doing. He knows he doesnââ¬â¢t have the ability to > purge the Koran > > from the world, and he wasnââ¬â¢t trying to. He was trying to > condemn some of the > > ideas that are in it ââ¬" or maybe he really thinks the whole > thing is > > condemnable. > > This is a particularly aggressive and vivid way to express disdain, > but I donââ¬â¢t > > know that it is much different in principle from orally condemning > some of the > > Koranââ¬â¢s suras and verses. Sura 9 of the Koran, for example, > states the > > supremacist doctrine that commands Muslims to kill and conquer > non-Muslims > > (e.g., 9:5: ââ¬Å"But when the forbidden months are past, then > fight and slay the > > pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie > in wait > > for them in every stratagem (of war) . . .ââ¬ï¿½; 9:29: > ââ¬Å"Fight those who believe not > > in Allah nor the last day, nor hold forbidden which hath been > forbidden by > > Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from > among the > > people of the Book [i.e., the Jews and Christians], until they pay > the jizya > > [i.e., the tax paid for the privilege of living as dhimmis under the > protection > > of the sharia state] with willing submission, and feel themselves > subduedââ¬ï¿½). I > > must say, Iââ¬â¢ve got a much bigger problem with the people > trying to comply with > > those commands than with the guy who burns them. > > I think the big problem with what Jones did is the gratuitous insult > to all > > Muslims, including the millions who do not subscribe to the violent > jihadist or > > broader Islamist construction of Islamic scripture. They have found > some way to > > rationalize the incendiary scriptures ââ¬" and if it works for > them, who the hell > > am I to say theyââ¬â¢re wrong? They are our natural allies in this > battle, and as > > Iââ¬â¢ve often pointed out, without their help, we could not have > done things like > > infiltrate the Blind Sheikhââ¬â¢s terror cell, gather vital > intelligence, thwart > > terrorist attacks, and refine trial evidence into compelling proof. > > These people regard the Koran as the most important of their > scriptures. When > > someone burns the Koran in an act of indiscriminate, wholesale > condemnation, > > the message to them is that their belief system is incorrigible. > Freedom of > > speech means that we have to allow that argument to be made, and > Iââ¬â¢m not > > entirely sure itââ¬â¢s wrong. But good Muslim people give us > reason to hope that > > what ails Islam can be reformed. I donââ¬â¢t see the upside in > alienating those > > people. I think you can condemn the condemnable aspects of the Koran > without > > condemning everything. But thatââ¬â¢s just my opinion, and Mr. > Jones is as entitled > > to his as I am to mine. And for what itââ¬â¢s worth, I doubt my > opinion would be > > much more popular than his in Mazar-e-Sharif. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: proletar-dig...@yahoogroups.com proletar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: proletar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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