[proletar] Re: More On Koran Burning

[Abbas]

Disini emang ada FPI ?
Yang ada kam cuman item abu

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@...> wrote:
>
> Jangan bandingin gua dgn orang Islam yg ngejalanin sunnah nabi dgn ngebakar 
> rumah atau tempat ibadah.
> 
> Kenapa lu ga pernah nanya ke FPI misalnya berapa rumah atau tempat ibadah yg 
> udah mereka bakar? Pasti FPI itu favorit lu kan.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Abbas <abas_amin08@...>
> To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, April 9, 2011 11:32:55 AM
> Subject: [proletar] Re: More On Koran Burning
> 
>    
> Jasiii ............   sudh berapa rumah yang kau bakar !?
> 
> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote:
> >
> > Hehehe.... yg nyuruh ngebakar rumah itu kan nabi lu. 
> > 
> > Volume 1, Book 11, Number 626: 
> > Narrated Abu Huraira: 
> > >The Prophet said, "No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the       
> > >Fajr 
> 
> > >and the 'Isha' prayers and if they knew the reward for these       prayers 
> > >at 
> 
> > >their respective times, they would certainly present       themselves (in 
> > >the 
> 
> > >mosques) even if they had to c awl."The Prophet       added, "Certainly I 
> > >decided to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) to       pronounce Iqama and 
> >order 
> >
> > >a man to lead the prayer and then take a       fire flame to burn all 
> > >those 
> >who 
> >
> > >had not left their houses so far for       the prayer along with their 
> >houses." 
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Jadi lu anggap ngebakar rumah itu adlaah perbuatan bejad? Kalo gitu, nabi 
> > >lu 
> >itu 
> >
> > >bejad, bukan?
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > From: Abbas <abas_amin08@>
> > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Fri, April 8, 2011 10:00:34 AM
> > Subject: [proletar] Re: More On Koran Burning
> > 
> > 
> > ngebakar rumah orangpun buat kanu apa salahnya bukan ?
> > 
> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hehehe.... emangnya apa salahnya ngebakar kitab yg ngehalalin merkosa, 
> > > pedophilia, ngerampok, ngebunuh, perbudakan, ngibul dll?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: ndeboost <rambitesemak@>
> > > To: proletar@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Thu, April 7, 2011 5:36:01 PM
> > > Subject: [proletar] Re: More On Koran Burning
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Kertas Al Qur'an kurang empuk sbg pengganti roll-tissue. Ada kok yg
> > > lebih pas, dan lebih tebal lagi. Apa lagi bila sdh kedaluwarsa,
> > > ketimbang menuhin lemari.
> > > 
> > > Utk dipakai kompos? Ga ekonomis. Disamping labourous juga mahal. Satu Al
> > > Qur'an (atau buku sucimu) bekas bisa utk beli 10 kg kompos siap pakai. 
> > > Bahan hidro karbon perlu lk 3 bulan (cara standard) agar jadi kompos.
> > > Namun kalau ngotot, ya boleh juga. 'Mangnya @dapurmu perlu komopos? Utk
> > > make up? Utk dimakan? Kompos ga baik utk pencernaanmu, kecuali kamu ikut
> > > Nabi Nuh saat banjir besar. Perahunya terkatung-katung, KATEBE, hampir
> > > setahun. Ga ada pemasok nawarin logistik, jadi makanan yg di stok either
> > > habis, jadi kompos atau penumpangnya saling mangsa.
> > > 
> > > Utk dibakar? Polusi. Utk bahan bakar mungkin lebih baik. Sekalian mainan
> > > abunya, ketimbang "mainan" semangka. Kamu kan masa kecil ga bahagia?
> > > Atau kamuflase, stok (sisa) Al Qur'an palsu pura-puranya dibakar,
> > > ketimbang ketahuan petugas dan jadi masalah legal. Kan tetangga
> > > seringnya malsu Al Qur'an?
> > > 
> > > Keknya ga ada umat Islam pada malsu atau mbakarin Bibel. Biasanya yg 
> > > dipalsu kwalitasnya sangat bagus.  mBakarin Bibel? Wekekekek..,  sayang.
> > > Kan di simpan bisa jadi barang antik?
> > > 
> > > Cuma nDeboost pengin tahu, mbakar dan melecehkan Al Qur'an 'mangnya
> > > ajaran Yesus apa iblis?
> > > 
> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Gua pribadi sih ga setuju kalo Quran dibakar begitu aja, itu cuma 
> > > ngerusak
> > > > alam, nambah karbon dioksida dan nyia2kan kertas yg dibuat dr  pohon.
> > > >
> > > > Drpd Quran dibakar begitu aja, mendingan Quran itu dipake kertasnya
> > > buat
> > > > bersihin pantat abis beol misalnya. Atau, bisa jg Quran dibuang ke dlm
> > > tempat
> > > > taik biar cepat jadi kompos.
> > > >
> > > > Betul ga tuh yg gua bilang?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/263916/more-koran-burning-andrew-c-\
> > > mccarthy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > More On Koran Burning
> > > > April 5, 2011 10:59 A.M.
> > > > By Andrew C. McCarthy
> > > > Jonah,  my problem with the Koran burning stunt is that it is
> > > > counterproductive. I hear what 
> > > > youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢re saying about 
> >decency. But
> > > on that  score,
> > > > I donÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢t find the burning any more 
> > > > offensive in principle 
> >than I
> > > do its opposite
> > > > extreme: the bizarro hyper-reverence with which the  Koran is handled
> > > by the
> > > > Defense Department.
> > > > Down at Gitmo, the Defense Department gives the Koran to each of the 
> > > terrorists
> > > > even though DoD knows they interpret it (not without reason)  to
> > > command them to
> > > > kill the people who gave it to them. To underscore  our precious
> > > sensitivity to
> > > > Muslims, standard procedure calls for the the book to be handled  only
> > > by Muslim
> > > > military personnel. Sometimes, though, that is not  possible for
> > > various
> > > > reasons. If, as a last resort, one of our  non-Muslim troops must
> > > handle or
> > > > transport the book, he must wear white  gloves, and he is further
> > > instructed
> > > > primarily to use the right hand  (indulging Muslim 
> >cultureÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s
> > > taboo about the
> > > > sinister left hand). The  book is to be conveyed to the prisoners in a
> > > ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å"reverent
> > > > mannerÃÆ'¢â‚¬ï¿½ inside a  
> > > > ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å"clean dry 
> >towel.ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ï¿½ This is a
> > > nod to Islamic teaching that
> > > > infidels are  so low a form of life that they should not be touched
> > > (as
> > > > Ayatollah Ali  Sistani teaches,  non-Muslims are 
> > > > ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å"considered 
> >in
> > > the same
> > > > category as urine, feces,  semen, dead bodies, blood, dogs, pigs,
> > > alcoholic
> > > > liquors,ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ï¿½ and 
> > > > ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å"the  sweat of an animal who 
> >persistently
> > > eats [unclean things].ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ï¿½
> > > > This is every bit as indecent as torching the Koran, implicitly 
> > > endorsing as it
> > > > does the very dehumanization of non-Muslims that leads  to terrorism.
> > > > Furthermore, there is hypocrisy to consider: the Defense  Department
> > > now piously
> > > > condemning Koran burning is the same Defense  Department that itself
> > > did not
> > > > give a second thought to confiscating and burning bibles in
> > > Afghanistan.
> > > > Quite consciously, U.S. commanders ordered this purge in deference to 
> > > sharia
> > > > proscriptions against the proselytism of faiths other than Islam.  And
> > > as
> > > > General Petraeus well knows, his chain of command is not the only one
> > > destroying
> > > > bibles.  Non-Muslim religious artifacts, including bibles, are torched
> > > or
> > > > otherwise destroyed in Islamic countries every single day as a matter
> > > of
> > > > standard operating procedure. (See, e.g., my 2007 post on Saudi
> > > government
> > > > guidelines that prohibit Jews and Christians from  bringing bibles,
> > > crucifixes,
> > > > Stars of David, etc., into the country ÃÆ'¢â‚¬"  and, 
> > > > of course, not
> > > just non-Muslim
> > > > accessories but non-Muslim people  are barred from entering Mecca and
> > > most of
> > > > Medina,  based on the classical interpretation of an injunction found
> > > in what
> > > > Petraeus is fond of calling the Holy 
> > > > QurÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢an (sura 9:28:
> > > ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å"Truly the  pagans are
> > > > unclean . . . so let them not . . . approach the sacred 
> > > mosqueÃÆ'¢â‚¬ï¿½).
> > > > I donÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢t like book burning either, 
> > > > but I think there are
> > > different kinds  of book
> > > > burnings. One is done for purposes of censorship 
> > > > ÃÆ'¢â‚¬" the attempt 
> > > to purge the
> > > > world of every copy of a book to make it as if the  sentiments
> > > expressed never
> > > > existed. A good modern example is Cambridge  University 
> >PressÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s
> > > shameful pulping
> > > > of all known copies of Alms for Jihad (see 
> > > > StanleyÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s 2007 
> >post
> > > on that). The
> > > > other kind of burning is done as symbolic condemnation.  
> >ThatÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s
> > > what I think
> > > > Terry Jones was doing. He knows he 
> > > > doesnÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢t have the  
> >ability to
> > > purge the Koran
> > > > from the world, and he wasnÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢t 
> > > > trying to. He  was trying 
> to
> > > condemn some of the
> > > > ideas that are in it ÃÆ'¢â‚¬" or maybe he  really 
> > > > thinks the whole
> > > thing is
> > > > condemnable.
> > > > This is a particularly aggressive and vivid way to express disdain,
> > > but  I donÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢t
> > > > know that it is much different in principle from orally  condemning
> > > some of the
> > > > KoranÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s suras and verses. Sura 9 
> > > > of the Koran,  for 
> >example,
> > > states the
> > > > supremacist doctrine that commands Muslims to  kill and conquer
> > > non-Muslims
> > > > (e.g., 9:5: ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å"But when the forbidden months  
> > > > are past, then
> > > fight and slay the
> > > > pagans wherever ye find them, and  seize them, beleaguer them, and lie
> > > in wait
> > > > for them in every stratagem  (of war) . . 
> > > > .ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ï¿½; 9:29:
> > > ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å"Fight those who believe not
> > > > in Allah nor the  last day, nor hold forbidden which hath been
> > > forbidden by
> > > > Allah and His  Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from
> > > among the
> > > > people  of the Book [i.e., the Jews and Christians], until they pay
> > > the jizya
> > > > [i.e., the tax paid for the privilege of living as dhimmis under the 
> > > protection
> > > > of the sharia state] with willing submission, and feel  themselves
> > > subduedÃÆ'¢â‚¬ï¿½). I
> > > > must say, IÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢ve got a much bigger 
> > > > problem with  the people
> > > trying to comply with
> > > > those commands than with the guy who  burns them.
> > > > I think the big problem with what Jones did is the gratuitous insult
> > > to  all
> > > > Muslims, including the millions who do not subscribe to the violent 
> > > jihadist or
> > > > broader Islamist construction of Islamic scripture. They  have found
> > > some way to
> > > > rationalize the incendiary scriptures ÃÆ'¢â‚¬" and if 
> > > > it  works for
> > > them, who the hell
> > > > am I to say theyÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢re wrong? They 
> > > > are our  natural allies in 
> >this
> > > battle, and as
> > > > IÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢ve often pointed out, without  
> > > > their help, we could not 
> >have
> > > done things like
> > > > infiltrate the Blind  SheikhÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s 
> > > > terror cell, gather vital
> > > intelligence, thwart
> > > > terrorist  attacks, and refine trial evidence into compelling proof.
> > > > These people regard the Koran as the most important of their 
> > > scriptures. When
> > > > someone burns the Koran in an act of indiscriminate,  wholesale
> > > condemnation,
> > > > the message to them is that their belief system  is incorrigible.
> > > Freedom of
> > > > speech means that we have to allow that  argument to be made, and
> > > IÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢m not
> > > > entirely sure itÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s wrong. But good 
> > > >  Muslim people give us
> > > reason to hope that
> > > > what ails Islam can be  reformed. I 
> > > > donÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢t see the upside 
> >in
> > > alienating those
> > > > people. I think you  can condemn the condemnable aspects of the Koran
> > > without
> > > > condemning  everything. But thatÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s 
> > > > just my opinion, and 
> >Mr.
> > > Jones is as entitled
> > > > to  his as I am to mine. And for what 
> > > > itÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„¢s worth, I doubt 
> >my
> > > opinion would  be
> > > > much more popular than his in Mazar-e-Sharif.
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