lah tuhan juga bukan cuma satu tapi ada banyak, jadi ya sama dengan Alien.
Rahayu --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Abbas" <abas_amin08@...> wrote: > > Alien itu jelas banyak; hadi jelas bukan Tuhan Yang SATU > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "pemerhatidunia" <pemerhatidunia@> wrote: > > > > Baik. Kuliahmu menjadi studi kasus yang baik. Lanjutkan!! Aku juga berjanji > > akan mengkaji ini lebih dalam. Dalam agama non Islam juga banyak pengaruh > > alien2 ini. > > > > pemdun > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "ndeboost" <rambitesemak@> wrote: > > > > > > Kok jauh amat? Ada yg nyembah cor-coran, semen atau logam, ada kayu > > > dipaku kiri-kanan, atau patung lalu manusia jongkok hormat didepannya. > > > Sekarang ini lho dan kamu bisa lihat saja sendiri. Ada juga yg nyembah > > > api, juga yg sangat memuliakan daya fikirnya atau posisi maupun harta > > > duniawi. Atau mengigau memuja arwah nenek moyang atau setan > > > gentayangan. Vatikan saja pernah kok punya tempat khusus muja satan, > > > meski yg namanya pedofil atau homo dan diwariskan kepada para > > > rohaniwannya. > > > Kalik orang tuamu maupun kamu sendiri termasuk pemuja dari antara yg > > > nDeboost paparkan diatas. > > > > > > Coba kamu bayangkan, ada yg mampu melihat langit terbuka atau 1/3 jumlah > > > bintang diseret ekor naga ke bumi. Atau ada sosok ga bersilsilah, ga > > > ada awal atau akhir. Lalu peperangan antara malaikat jahat vs malaikat > > > baik di surga. Atau ada sosok (mayat) naik ke surga. Mengapa kamu > > > mengecualikan yg itu? > > > > > > Kalau Al Qur'an menyampaikan ada makhluk diantara langit dan bumi namun > > > ga disebut dimana ga ada hubungannya dg kepercayaan Arab kuno. Orang > > > Arab jahiliah dulu entah apa-apa yg mereka sembah, wallahua'lam. > > > > > > "....Satu apologis Muslim mengaku bahwa patung dewa Hubal bulan > > > ditempatkan di atas atap Kaba sekitar 400 tahun sebelum Muhammad. Hal > > > ini mungkin sebenarnya asal mengapa bulan sabit berada di atas setiap > > > menara di Kaba hari ini dan simbol pusat Islam di atas setiap masjid di > > > seluruh dunia...." > > > > > > 'Mangnya ada berapa Kaba? Kamu mengigau atau mitenah? Melek dong. > > > > > > Ini akan menjadi studi baru, jurusan baru dalam ILMU AGAMA. > > > Jadi utk apa ngajak studi yg demikian gak netralnya? Kamu tujukan saja > > > kepada gereja biar ga dipermalukan. Ga lagi mengulangi kezaliman yg > > > ditimpakan misalnya kpd Galileo. > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "pemerhatidunia" <pemerhatidunia@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Mengingat bahwa agama itu asalnya adalah supranatural: malaikat, > > > Allah, dewa, hantu, penampakan, langit yang artinya kemungkinan besar > > > adalah ALIEN dari ANGKASA LUAR, maka aku mengajak kalian semua yg > > > obyektif dan rasional untuk menguji semua agama berdasarkan hipotesis > > > ini, sekaligus mengenali alien dengan berbagai varian dan tujuan mereka. > > > > > > > > Ini akan menjadi studi baru, jurusan baru dalam ILMU AGAMA. > > > > > > > > > > > > ALIEN GODS -ISLAM BAHAYA LATENT > > > > > > > > Bulan itu ada penduduknya. Banyak orang bersaksi pernah melihatnya. > > > Mungkinkah > > > > simbol Bulan Bintang itu berkaitan dengan fakta bahwa Alloh itu adalah > > > ALIEN?? > > > > > > > > ALIEN KATA ORANG PUNYA MARKAS DI BULAN. > > > > > > > > Banyak sekali kalau dicari di google "Alien Moon" > > > > http://www.ufocasebook.com/moon.html > > > > Alien moon,Why NASA Never Returned To The Moon,1of3 > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjn10Of2hPs > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6507661008750185648# > > > > masih sangat banyak lagi di youtube dan di web > > > > > > > > > > > > DEWI BULANnya orang Arab , AL-ILAH > > > > > > > > Lalu orang Arab pra-Islam menyembah bulan dan tuhannya yang bernama > > > al-Ilah > > > > (Al-Lat yang disebut di Qur'an?). > > > > Moon worship, agama Arab jahiliyah > > > > dewanya bernama al-ilah > > > > > > > > http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-moon-god.htm > > > > Translated dari English > > > > # ibadah Dewi Bulan telah dipraktikkan di Saudi sejak tahun 2000 SM. > > > Bulan sabit > > > > adalah simbol paling umum dari ibadah pagan bulan sejauh 2000 SM. > > > > # Di Mekah, ada dewa bernama Hubal yang Tuhannya Kabah. > > > > # Hubal adalah dewa bulan. > > > > # Satu apologis Muslim mengaku bahwa patung dewa Hubal bulan > > > ditempatkan di atas > > > > atap Kaba sekitar 400 tahun sebelum Muhammad. Hal ini mungkin > > > sebenarnya asal > > > > mengapa bulan sabit berada di atas setiap menara di Kaba hari ini dan > > > simbol > > > > pusat Islam di atas setiap masjid di seluruh dunia: > > > > > > > > Sekitar empat ratus tahun sebelum kelahiran Muhammad bin Amr satu > > > Lahyo ... > > > > keturunan dari Qahtan dan raja Hijaz, telah menempatkan berhala > > > bernama Hubal di > > > > atap Ka'bah. Ini adalah salah satu dewa utama dari Quraisy sebelum > > > Islam. > > > > (Muhammad Nabi saw, Hafiz Ghulam Sarwar (Pakistan), p 18-19, Muslim) > > > > > > > > # Dewa Bulan juga disebut sebagai "al-ilah". Ini bukan nama yang tepat > > > dari > > > > suatu dewa tunggal tertentu, tetapi referensi generik berarti "dewa". > > > Setiap > > > > kafir lokal suku Arab akan lihat sendiri kafir suku lokal mereka tuhan > > > sebagai > > > > "al-ilah". > > > > # "Al-ilah" kemudian disingkat menjadi Allah sebelum Muhammad mulai > > > > mempromosikan agama barunya di 610 AD. > > > > # Ada bukti bahwa Hubal disebut sebagai "Allah". > > > > # Ketika Muhammad datang, dia menjatuhkan semua referensi nama "Hubal" > > > tapi > > > > mempertahankan "Allah" generik. > > > > # Muhammad ditahan hampir semua ritual pagan bangsa Arab di Kaba dan > > > > didefinisikan ulang mereka dalam hal monoteistik. > > > > # Terlepas dari spesifik dari fakta, jelas bahwa Islam adalah berasal > > > dari > > > > paganisme yang pernah menyembah dewa-bulan. > > > > # Meskipun Islam adalah agama monoteis hari ini, akarnya dalam > > > paganisme. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-allah-pre-islamic-origin.htm > > > > > > > > 1. There is absolutely no question that Allah was worshipped by the > > > pagan > > > > Arabs as one of many polytheistic gods. > > > > 2. Allah was worshipped in the Kabah at Mecca before Muhammad was > > > born. > > > > Muhammad merely proclaimed a god the Meccans were already familiar > > > with. The > > > > pagan Arabs never accused Muhammad of preaching a different Allah than > > > the one > > > > they already worshipped. > > > > 3. Many scholars say "Allah" is derived from a compound Arabic word, > > > AL + > > > > ILAH = Allah. "Ilah" in Arabic is "God" and "Al" in Arabic is a > > > definite article > > > > like our word "the". So from an English equivalent "Allah" comes from > > > "The + > > > > God". Others, like Arthur Jeffery say, "The common theory is that it > > > is formed > > > > from ilah, the common word for a god, and the article al-; thus > > > al-ilah, the > > > > god," becomes Allah, "God." This theory, however, is untenable. In > > > fact, the > > > > name is one of the words borrowed into the language in pre-Islamic > > > times from > > > > Aramaic." ( > > > > 4. Islam: Muhammad and His Religion, Arthur Jeffery, 1958, p 85) > > > Although > > > > "Allah" has become known as the proper name for the Muslim god, Allah > > > is not a > > > > name, but a descriptor that means literally, "the god". All pagan > > > cultures have > > > > these generic terms that refer to their "top god" as "the god". In > > > comparison to > > > > the perfect monotheism of Judaism and Christianity, "Allah" was > > > originally no > > > > more a proper name for the Muslim God, than the word Hebrew "elohim" > > > (god) or > > > > Greek "theos" (god) are proper names of the one true God of the Bible. > > > "Jehovah" > > > > is the only revealed proper name for the "Elohim" of the Old Testament > > > ( Ex > > > > 3:13; 6:3) and "Jesus" is the only revealed proper name of "Theos" in > > > the New > > > > Testament. (Acts 4:12) Islam has no proper name for their god, but > > > merely > > > > transformed, by universal use and confusion, the generic Allah into a > > > proper > > > > name. So although today, Muslims use "Allah" as a proper name, it was > > > never used > > > > this way originally. Allah, therefore is equivalent to "elohim" and > > > "ho theos" > > > > but not "Jehovah" or "Jesus". Allah is not the name of the nameless > > > Muslim God. > > > > However Muslims will claim that Allah is the name of God that > > > corresponds to > > > > Jehovah. Both the Father and the Son are called "ho theos" (The God). > > > Jesus is > > > > called "The God" many times in the New Testament: John 20:28; Heb 1:8. > > > An > > > > important conclusion from this, is that the mere fact that "Allah" is > > > equivalent > > > > to "elohim" and "ho theos" does not mean they are directly > > > corresponded. It > > > > certainly doesn't prove Allah is the same as the God of the Old or New > > > > Testament. It does not prove that Muslim's worship the same God as > > > Christians. > > > > If this correspondence proved the Muslim god was the same as the > > > Christian God, > > > > then because pagan religions also have generics that correspond to > > > "the god" > > > > (Allah), this correspondence would also prove that Allah is the same > > > god as the > > > > Buddhist god, for Buddhists also refer to their god as "the god". > > > > > > > > What scholars say about the origin of the word "Allah": > > > > > > > > 1. It is not related that the Black Stone was connected with any > > > special god. > > > > In the Ka'ba was the statue of the god Hubal who might be called the > > > god of > > > > Mecca and of the Ka'ba. Caetani gives great prominence to the > > > connection between > > > > the Ka'ba and Hubal. Besides him, however, al-Lat, al-`Uzza, and > > > al-Manat were > > > > worshipped and are mentioned in the Kur'an; Hubal is never mentioned > > > there. What > > > > position Allah held beside these is not exactly known. The Islamic > > > tradition has > > > > certainly elevated him at the expense of other deities. It may be > > > considered > > > > certain that the Black Stone was not the only idol in or at the Ka'ba. > > > The Makam > > > > Ibrahim was of course a sacred stone from very early times. Its name > > > has not > > > > been handed down. Beside it several idols are mentioned, among them > > > the 360 > > > > statues. ( > > > > 2. First Encyclopedia of Islam, E.J. Brill, 1987, Islam, p. 587-591) > > > "The > > > > verses of the Qur'an make it clear that the very name Allah existed in > > > the > > > > Jahiliyya or pre-Islamic Arabia. Certain pagan tribes believed in a > > > god whom > > > > they called `Allah' and > > > > 3. whom they believed to be the creator of heaven and earth and holder > > > of the > > > > highest rank in the hierarchy of the gods. It is well known that the > > > Quraish as > > > > well as other tribes believed in Allah, whom they designated as the > > > `Lord of the > > > > House' (i.e., of the Ka'ba)...It is therefore clear that the Qur'anic > > > conception > > > > of Allah is not entirely new." (A Guide to the Contents of the Qur'an, > > > Faruq > > > > Sherif, (Reading, 1995), pgs. 21-22., Muslim) According to al-Masudi > > > (Murudj, > > > > iv. 47), certain people have regarded the Ka'ba as a temple devoted to > > > the sun, > > > > the moon and the five planets. The 36o idols placed round the Ka'ba > > > also point > > > > in this direction. It can therefore hardly be denied that traces exist > > > of an > > > > astral symbolism. At the same time one can safely say that there can > > > be no > > > > question of any general conception on these lines. The cult at the > > > Ka'ba was in > > > > the heathen period syncretic as is usual in heathenism. ( > > > > 4. First Encyclopedia of Islam, E.J. 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