Salah, bukan saya percaya tuhan yang banyak. Tapi saya tahu ada banyak sekali tuhan disekeliling sampeyan, lihat saja sendiri ada Alloh, Yehuwa, Betara Guru, Sanghyang Ismaya, Genderwo, wewegombel dll.
Kalo saya gak salah tangkap itu yang dimaksud sebagai Alien oleh si pendum. Rahayu --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Abbas" <abas_amin08@...> wrote: > > Oh begitu !? Jadi Wong ini percaya pada tuhan buaanyak ! Yang pantes lah > kalau giitu ! > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Wong" <wong_gendeng05@> wrote: > > > > > > lah tuhan juga bukan cuma satu tapi ada banyak, jadi ya sama dengan Alien. > > > > Rahayu > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Abbas" <abas_amin08@> wrote: > > > > > > Alien itu jelas banyak; hadi jelas bukan Tuhan Yang SATU > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "pemerhatidunia" <pemerhatidunia@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Baik. Kuliahmu menjadi studi kasus yang baik. Lanjutkan!! Aku juga > > > > berjanji akan mengkaji ini lebih dalam. Dalam agama non Islam juga > > > > banyak pengaruh alien2 ini. > > > > > > > > pemdun > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "ndeboost" <rambitesemak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Kok jauh amat? Ada yg nyembah cor-coran, semen atau logam, ada kayu > > > > > dipaku kiri-kanan, atau patung lalu manusia jongkok hormat didepannya. > > > > > Sekarang ini lho dan kamu bisa lihat saja sendiri. Ada juga yg nyembah > > > > > api, juga yg sangat memuliakan daya fikirnya atau posisi maupun harta > > > > > duniawi. Atau mengigau memuja arwah nenek moyang atau setan > > > > > gentayangan. Vatikan saja pernah kok punya tempat khusus muja satan, > > > > > meski yg namanya pedofil atau homo dan diwariskan kepada para > > > > > rohaniwannya. > > > > > Kalik orang tuamu maupun kamu sendiri termasuk pemuja dari antara yg > > > > > nDeboost paparkan diatas. > > > > > > > > > > Coba kamu bayangkan, ada yg mampu melihat langit terbuka atau 1/3 > > > > > jumlah > > > > > bintang diseret ekor naga ke bumi. Atau ada sosok ga bersilsilah, ga > > > > > ada awal atau akhir. Lalu peperangan antara malaikat jahat vs malaikat > > > > > baik di surga. Atau ada sosok (mayat) naik ke surga. Mengapa kamu > > > > > mengecualikan yg itu? > > > > > > > > > > Kalau Al Qur'an menyampaikan ada makhluk diantara langit dan bumi > > > > > namun > > > > > ga disebut dimana ga ada hubungannya dg kepercayaan Arab kuno. Orang > > > > > Arab jahiliah dulu entah apa-apa yg mereka sembah, wallahua'lam. > > > > > > > > > > "....Satu apologis Muslim mengaku bahwa patung dewa Hubal bulan > > > > > ditempatkan di atas atap Kaba sekitar 400 tahun sebelum Muhammad. Hal > > > > > ini mungkin sebenarnya asal mengapa bulan sabit berada di atas setiap > > > > > menara di Kaba hari ini dan simbol pusat Islam di atas setiap masjid > > > > > di > > > > > seluruh dunia...." > > > > > > > > > > 'Mangnya ada berapa Kaba? Kamu mengigau atau mitenah? Melek dong. > > > > > > > > > > Ini akan menjadi studi baru, jurusan baru dalam ILMU AGAMA. > > > > > Jadi utk apa ngajak studi yg demikian gak netralnya? Kamu tujukan > > > > > saja > > > > > kepada gereja biar ga dipermalukan. Ga lagi mengulangi kezaliman yg > > > > > ditimpakan misalnya kpd Galileo. > > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "pemerhatidunia" <pemerhatidunia@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Mengingat bahwa agama itu asalnya adalah supranatural: malaikat, > > > > > Allah, dewa, hantu, penampakan, langit yang artinya kemungkinan besar > > > > > adalah ALIEN dari ANGKASA LUAR, maka aku mengajak kalian semua yg > > > > > obyektif dan rasional untuk menguji semua agama berdasarkan hipotesis > > > > > ini, sekaligus mengenali alien dengan berbagai varian dan tujuan > > > > > mereka. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ini akan menjadi studi baru, jurusan baru dalam ILMU AGAMA. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ALIEN GODS -ISLAM BAHAYA LATENT > > > > > > > > > > > > Bulan itu ada penduduknya. Banyak orang bersaksi pernah melihatnya. > > > > > Mungkinkah > > > > > > simbol Bulan Bintang itu berkaitan dengan fakta bahwa Alloh itu > > > > > > adalah > > > > > ALIEN?? > > > > > > > > > > > > ALIEN KATA ORANG PUNYA MARKAS DI BULAN. > > > > > > > > > > > > Banyak sekali kalau dicari di google "Alien Moon" > > > > > > http://www.ufocasebook.com/moon.html > > > > > > Alien moon,Why NASA Never Returned To The Moon,1of3 > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjn10Of2hPs > > > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6507661008750185648# > > > > > > masih sangat banyak lagi di youtube dan di web > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEWI BULANnya orang Arab , AL-ILAH > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalu orang Arab pra-Islam menyembah bulan dan tuhannya yang bernama > > > > > al-Ilah > > > > > > (Al-Lat yang disebut di Qur'an?). > > > > > > Moon worship, agama Arab jahiliyah > > > > > > dewanya bernama al-ilah > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-moon-god.htm > > > > > > Translated dari English > > > > > > # ibadah Dewi Bulan telah dipraktikkan di Saudi sejak tahun 2000 SM. > > > > > Bulan sabit > > > > > > adalah simbol paling umum dari ibadah pagan bulan sejauh 2000 SM. > > > > > > # Di Mekah, ada dewa bernama Hubal yang Tuhannya Kabah. > > > > > > # Hubal adalah dewa bulan. > > > > > > # Satu apologis Muslim mengaku bahwa patung dewa Hubal bulan > > > > > ditempatkan di atas > > > > > > atap Kaba sekitar 400 tahun sebelum Muhammad. Hal ini mungkin > > > > > sebenarnya asal > > > > > > mengapa bulan sabit berada di atas setiap menara di Kaba hari ini > > > > > > dan > > > > > simbol > > > > > > pusat Islam di atas setiap masjid di seluruh dunia: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sekitar empat ratus tahun sebelum kelahiran Muhammad bin Amr satu > > > > > Lahyo ... > > > > > > keturunan dari Qahtan dan raja Hijaz, telah menempatkan berhala > > > > > bernama Hubal di > > > > > > atap Ka'bah. Ini adalah salah satu dewa utama dari Quraisy sebelum > > > > > Islam. > > > > > > (Muhammad Nabi saw, Hafiz Ghulam Sarwar (Pakistan), p 18-19, Muslim) > > > > > > > > > > > > # Dewa Bulan juga disebut sebagai "al-ilah". Ini bukan nama yang > > > > > > tepat > > > > > dari > > > > > > suatu dewa tunggal tertentu, tetapi referensi generik berarti > > > > > > "dewa". > > > > > Setiap > > > > > > kafir lokal suku Arab akan lihat sendiri kafir suku lokal mereka > > > > > > tuhan > > > > > sebagai > > > > > > "al-ilah". > > > > > > # "Al-ilah" kemudian disingkat menjadi Allah sebelum Muhammad mulai > > > > > > mempromosikan agama barunya di 610 AD. > > > > > > # Ada bukti bahwa Hubal disebut sebagai "Allah". > > > > > > # Ketika Muhammad datang, dia menjatuhkan semua referensi nama > > > > > > "Hubal" > > > > > tapi > > > > > > mempertahankan "Allah" generik. > > > > > > # Muhammad ditahan hampir semua ritual pagan bangsa Arab di Kaba dan > > > > > > didefinisikan ulang mereka dalam hal monoteistik. > > > > > > # Terlepas dari spesifik dari fakta, jelas bahwa Islam adalah > > > > > > berasal > > > > > dari > > > > > > paganisme yang pernah menyembah dewa-bulan. > > > > > > # Meskipun Islam adalah agama monoteis hari ini, akarnya dalam > > > > > paganisme. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-allah-pre-islamic-origin.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. There is absolutely no question that Allah was worshipped by the > > > > > pagan > > > > > > Arabs as one of many polytheistic gods. > > > > > > 2. Allah was worshipped in the Kabah at Mecca before Muhammad was > > > > > born. > > > > > > Muhammad merely proclaimed a god the Meccans were already familiar > > > > > with. The > > > > > > pagan Arabs never accused Muhammad of preaching a different Allah > > > > > > than > > > > > the one > > > > > > they already worshipped. > > > > > > 3. Many scholars say "Allah" is derived from a compound Arabic word, > > > > > AL + > > > > > > ILAH = Allah. "Ilah" in Arabic is "God" and "Al" in Arabic is a > > > > > definite article > > > > > > like our word "the". So from an English equivalent "Allah" comes > > > > > > from > > > > > "The + > > > > > > God". Others, like Arthur Jeffery say, "The common theory is that it > > > > > is formed > > > > > > from ilah, the common word for a god, and the article al-; thus > > > > > al-ilah, the > > > > > > god," becomes Allah, "God." This theory, however, is untenable. In > > > > > fact, the > > > > > > name is one of the words borrowed into the language in pre-Islamic > > > > > times from > > > > > > Aramaic." ( > > > > > > 4. Islam: Muhammad and His Religion, Arthur Jeffery, 1958, p 85) > > > > > Although > > > > > > "Allah" has become known as the proper name for the Muslim god, > > > > > > Allah > > > > > is not a > > > > > > name, but a descriptor that means literally, "the god". All pagan > > > > > cultures have > > > > > > these generic terms that refer to their "top god" as "the god". In > > > > > comparison to > > > > > > the perfect monotheism of Judaism and Christianity, "Allah" was > > > > > originally no > > > > > > more a proper name for the Muslim God, than the word Hebrew "elohim" > > > > > (god) or > > > > > > Greek "theos" (god) are proper names of the one true God of the > > > > > > Bible. > > > > > "Jehovah" > > > > > > is the only revealed proper name for the "Elohim" of the Old > > > > > > Testament > > > > > ( Ex > > > > > > 3:13; 6:3) and "Jesus" is the only revealed proper name of "Theos" > > > > > > in > > > > > the New > > > > > > Testament. (Acts 4:12) Islam has no proper name for their god, but > > > > > merely > > > > > > transformed, by universal use and confusion, the generic Allah into > > > > > > a > > > > > proper > > > > > > name. So although today, Muslims use "Allah" as a proper name, it > > > > > > was > > > > > never used > > > > > > this way originally. Allah, therefore is equivalent to "elohim" and > > > > > "ho theos" > > > > > > but not "Jehovah" or "Jesus". Allah is not the name of the nameless > > > > > Muslim God. > > > > > > However Muslims will claim that Allah is the name of God that > > > > > corresponds to > > > > > > Jehovah. Both the Father and the Son are called "ho theos" (The > > > > > > God). > > > > > Jesus is > > > > > > called "The God" many times in the New Testament: John 20:28; Heb > > > > > > 1:8. > > > > > An > > > > > > important conclusion from this, is that the mere fact that "Allah" > > > > > > is > > > > > equivalent > > > > > > to "elohim" and "ho theos" does not mean they are directly > > > > > corresponded. It > > > > > > certainly doesn't prove Allah is the same as the God of the Old or > > > > > > New > > > > > > Testament. It does not prove that Muslim's worship the same God as > > > > > Christians. > > > > > > If this correspondence proved the Muslim god was the same as the > > > > > Christian God, > > > > > > then because pagan religions also have generics that correspond to > > > > > "the god" > > > > > > (Allah), this correspondence would also prove that Allah is the same > > > > > god as the > > > > > > Buddhist god, for Buddhists also refer to their god as "the god". > > > > > > > > > > > > What scholars say about the origin of the word "Allah": > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. It is not related that the Black Stone was connected with any > > > > > special god. > > > > > > In the Ka'ba was the statue of the god Hubal who might be called the > > > > > god of > > > > > > Mecca and of the Ka'ba. Caetani gives great prominence to the > > > > > connection between > > > > > > the Ka'ba and Hubal. Besides him, however, al-Lat, al-`Uzza, and > > > > > al-Manat were > > > > > > worshipped and are mentioned in the Kur'an; Hubal is never mentioned > > > > > there. What > > > > > > position Allah held beside these is not exactly known. The Islamic > > > > > tradition has > > > > > > certainly elevated him at the expense of other deities. It may be > > > > > considered > > > > > > certain that the Black Stone was not the only idol in or at the > > > > > > Ka'ba. > > > > > The Makam > > > > > > Ibrahim was of course a sacred stone from very early times. Its name > > > > > has not > > > > > > been handed down. Beside it several idols are mentioned, among them > > > > > the 360 > > > > > > statues. ( > > > > > > 2. First Encyclopedia of Islam, E.J. Brill, 1987, Islam, p. 587-591) > > > > > "The > > > > > > verses of the Qur'an make it clear that the very name Allah existed > > > > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > Jahiliyya or pre-Islamic Arabia. Certain pagan tribes believed in a > > > > > god whom > > > > > > they called `Allah' and > > > > > > 3. whom they believed to be the creator of heaven and earth and > > > > > > holder > > > > > of the > > > > > > highest rank in the hierarchy of the gods. It is well known that the > > > > > Quraish as > > > > > > well as other tribes believed in Allah, whom they designated as the > > > > > `Lord of the > > > > > > House' (i.e., of the Ka'ba)...It is therefore clear that the > > > > > > Qur'anic > > > > > conception > > > > > > of Allah is not entirely new." (A Guide to the Contents of the > > > > > > Qur'an, > > > > > Faruq > > > > > > Sherif, (Reading, 1995), pgs. 21-22., Muslim) According to al-Masudi > > > > > (Murudj, > > > > > > iv. 47), certain people have regarded the Ka'ba as a temple devoted > > > > > > to > > > > > the sun, > > > > > > the moon and the five planets. The 36o idols placed round the Ka'ba > > > > > also point > > > > > > in this direction. It can therefore hardly be denied that traces > > > > > > exist > > > > > of an > > > > > > astral symbolism. At the same time one can safely say that there can > > > > > be no > > > > > > question of any general conception on these lines. The cult at the > > > > > Ka'ba was in > > > > > > the heathen period syncretic as is usual in heathenism. ( > > > > > > 4. First Encyclopedia of Islam, E.J. Brill, 1987, Islam, p. 587-591) > > > > > The name > > > > > > Allah, as the Qur'an itself is witness, was well known i > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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