Tolol... Goblok.
Bodoh. Dungu. Pandir. Dia lupa apa yang terjadi tahun 1965-1966 di Indonesia misalnya ketika orang Islam banyak yang berebut membunuhi tetangga atau kenalan baikya pendukung Orde Lama... --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "teddysrachman" <teddyr@...> wrote: > > Saya yakin 100% bahwa orang-orang di milis ini tidak akan pernah punya > fikiran seperti itu. Kolega saya sangat banyak yang Muslim karena berasal > dari Bangladesh, Pakistan dan Iran. Ada yang cukup ketat menjalankan ajaran, > tapi ada pula yang sangat longgar. Misalnya saja, ada kolega wanita asal > Bangladesh yang dibesarkan di Saudi Arabia dengan ayahnya saat itu menjadi > dosen senior di Saudi Arabia. Mereka pindah ke Australia saat kolega saya > menjelang dewasa karena menyadari keadaan yang kurang menguntungkan bagi kaum > wanita di sana. Sudah beberapa waktu dia mengutarakan keinginannya untuk > memakai 'niqab' di kantor dan ternyata setelah cuti Lebaran Haji yang baru > lewat dia masuk ke kantor sudah dengan berjilbab (bukan niqab). Tidak ada > seorangpun yang mempermasalahkan hal ini, tapi kalau menggunakan 'niqab' > terus terang mungkin akan terlalu mencolok, apalagi jika dikaitkan dengan > kejadian belum lama ini di Sydney. > > Di Indonesia semua bentuk kerusuhan ada dalangnya dan pasti ada tujuannya. > Sementara di luar Indonesia lebih merupakan unsur solidaritas dengan > Palestina disamping menguatnya faham Wahabbi dengan adanya dukungan dana yang > sangat besar. Seorang bekas kolega asal Iran tampaknya demikian membenci > Israel. Saya katakan menurut saya antara Iran dan Israel tidak pernah > terlibat perang sebelumnya. Kata-kata saya membuat dia tercengang sejenak dan > selanjutnya mengakui bahwa itu memang benar dan mereka intinya bersimpati > dengan perjuangan rakyat Palestina. > > Saya mengetahui dari kolega saya bahwa dia tidak akan beribadah dalam mesjid > milik aliran lain, tapi apa salahnya? Di sini orang-orang Thai juga akan > beribadah pada kuil Budha mereka sendiri, sementara orang-orang Khmer punya > kuil Budha sendiri. Sama halnya dengan demikian banyak aliran gereja Kristen > yang punya gereja sendiri-sendiri. > > Perbedaan akan selalu ada dan jika ingin bisa hidup berdampingan dengan > damai, maka harus bisa menerimanya. Sudah ratusan tahun berbagai agama bisa > hidup dalam damai di Indonesia dan itu adalah bukti orang Indonesia cukup > toleran. > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > > > > > > Karena anda penjilat pantat orang Islam yang adalah penindas perempuan, > > tukang bakar gereja, tukang bantai ahmadiyah, tukang bunuhin kafir... > > > > Yang tidak ana maklumi adalah bahwa orang Islam yang hari ini berbaik-baik > > dengan anda besok,bisa saja dengan penuh semangat menebas batang leher anda > > karena dia menurutkan ajaran agamanya,... > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > > > Lu boleh tebak lagi agama gua apa, tapi seperti gua bilang agama itu > > > urusan pribadi masing-masing. Gua tidak pernah punya masalah berteman > > > dengan orang yang beragama apapun juga. > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Jadi si Teddy ini Kristen? Hehehe.... gua koq ga pernah tau ada orang > > > > Kristen yg punya prinsip main balas + bunga. > > > > > > > > Makanya, si Teddy itu ga berani bilang apa agamanya, krn kalo bener > > > > agamanya Kristen, maka si Teddy udah kepergok sbg orang bejad nurut > > > > ajaran Kristen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > > > > From: Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > >Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 2:07 PM > > > > >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah (Teddy bangsat itu, > > > > >katanya, tidak peduli..) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ya sudah terbukti bahwa tabiat Teddy itu persis sama busuknya dengan > > > > >orang Islam disini yang berdiam diri dihadapan teror Islam terhadap > > > > >minoritas... > > > > > > > > > >Agar jelas: orang Nasrani yang berhati-hati tapi terus berusaha > > > > >mempertahankan haknya bukan orang Nasrani yang pengecut.. > > > > > > > > > >Yang pengecut itu adalah oportunis bertabit nista lagi menjijikkan > > > > >seperti anda yang berdiam diri dihadapan penindasan orang Islam > > > > >terhadap minoritas dan dihadapan ketidak adilan di Indonesia. > > > > > > > > > >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Kalau sebelumnya itu baru berupa tuduhan, sekarang sudah terbukti > > > > >> berdasarkan hasil pengakuannya sendiri. Kurang jelas apa lagi? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Persis kayak Roman Proteus yang sedeng: item abu, katanya, adalah > > > > >> > pengecut... > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Makin jelas bahwa memang banyak persamaan antara Teddy ini dengan > > > > >> > orang Islam disini... > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > Pengecut!!! (ala film-film Amerika dengan diiringi nada-nada > > > > >> > > dari lagu kebangsaan Perancis, La Marseillaise). > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Hehehe ... gua sih ga heran kalo si Teddy bisa galak dan buas > > > > >> > > > kalo ngebela kepentingannya sendiri. Anjing jg bisa galak kalo > > > > >> > > > tulangnya mau diambil anjing lain. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Tp si Teddy ini lebih rendah dr anjing krn ga tau malu padahal > > > > >> > > > anjing itu mash tahu malu. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >________________________________ > > > > >> > > > > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@> > > > > >> > > > >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > >> > > > >Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:00 AM > > > > >> > > > >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah (Teddy > > > > >> > > > >bangsat itu, katanya, tidak peduli..) > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >à> > > > >> > > > >Apakah pejabat tersebut menyadarinya? Itu perbuatan yang sama > > > > >> > > > >sia-sianya dengan membenturkan kepala sendiri ke tembok. Saat > > > > >> > > > >saya dulu berurusan dengan pawai Pemilu Partai Golkar, > > > > >> > > > >rombongan tersebut saya kejar hingga ke markas mereka di > > > > >> > > > >Menteng, Jakarta. Saya temui kepala rombongan mereka, saya > > > > >> > > > >jelaskan masalahnya dan saya tuntut permohonan maaf dengan > > > > >> > > > >memberikan nama dan alamat di mana sang kepala rombongan > > > > >> > > > >berjanji untuk mengirim orang ke rumah. Itu contoh yang > > > > >> > > > >langsung bisa dirasakan pejabat terkait. Protege anda ini > > > > >> > > > >luar biasa pengecutnya. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >Satu hal, saya di sini bekerja dan bisa dikatakan kontribusi > > > > >> > > > >saya melebihi semua fasilitas yang kami terima. Sebetulnya > > > > >> > > > >saya lebih menghendaki sistem perpajakan seperti di AS > > > > >> > > > >berlaku di Australia di mana potongan pajak jauh lebih > > > > >> > > > >rendah. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >Simpan kata-kata busuk anda bagi orang-orang yang > > > > >> > > > >ongkang-ongkang kaki tanpa bekerja dengan memanfaatkan uang > > > > >> > > > >pajak orang banyak. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" > > > > >> > > > ><bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> Pertama: menolak undangan bedebah, seerti yagn dilakukan > > > > >> > > > >> item abu itu artinya tidak berdiam diri dihadapan > > > > >> > > > >> kejahatan yang dilakukan bedebah itu. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> Kedua: sepanjang yang menyangkut kegiatan saya sejak tahun > > > > >> > > > >> 1972 hingga Orde Naru jatuh, saya bisa bilang, disamping > > > > >> > > > >> mendiang Ernst Utrecht dan sahabat saya Lim, saya adalah > > > > >> > > > >> orang Indonesia yang dari negeri Belanda yang ikut > > > > >> > > > >> mendukung usaha orang di Indonesia menjatuhkan Orde Baru. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> Saya tidak sekedar bersenang-senang di negeri orang > > > > >> > > > >> menikmati jaminan sosial dan jaminan ksehatan yagn aduhai > > > > >> > > > >> seperti anda yagn adalah manusia oportunis yang bertabiat > > > > >> > > > >> busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > Ha ha ha. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > Tidak datang memenuhi undangan dan membenturkan kepala > > > > >> > > > >> > sendiri ke tembok itu sama-sama tak ada artinya. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > Coba anda bercermin diri dan melihat apakah ada perubahan > > > > >> > > > >> > besar yang telah terjadi di Indonesia yang merupakan > > > > >> > > > >> > hasil "perjuangan" anda selama ini? > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > Di sini semuanya tidak gratis dan malahan saya masih > > > > >> > > > >> > menyumbang orang lain. Sementara ada cukup banyak yang > > > > >> > > > >> > menjadi 'dole bludgers' yang sebagiannya enak-enak > > > > >> > > > >> > berselancar tiap harinya. Anda kira orang-orang ini > > > > >> > > > >> > pantas menerima santunan? > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" > > > > >> > > > >> > <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > "item abu" menyatakan pendapatnya dengan tidak datang > > > > >> > > > >> > > memenuhi undangan yang disampaikan kepadanya.. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > Ini satu. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > Yagn kedua: anda itu oportunis busuk, nisgtfa lagi > > > > >> > > > >> > > menjijikkan karena anda enak-enak hidup di negeri yang > > > > >> > > > >> > > punya jaminan sosial dan jaminan kesehatan yagn aduhai, > > > > >> > > > >> > > hasil perjuangan orang yang peduli akan kesenjangan > > > > >> > > > >> > > sosial, lalua nda bicara tentang mobil mewah dan anda > > > > >> > > > >> > > tidak peduli dengan kejahatan yang dilakukan oleh para > > > > >> > > > >> > > bedebah yang menjarah khasanah negara Indonsia - > > > > >> > > > >> > > sembari merek menghina korban jarahannnnya yang jadi > > > > >> > > > >> > > melarat dengan petatagng petiting dengan mobil mewah > > > > >> > > > >> > > hasil jarahannya. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > Anda itu betulk-betul adalah bangsat oppotunis busuk, > > > > >> > > > >> > > nista lagi menjijikkan. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@> > > > > >> > > > >> > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > Tidak usah jauh-jauh, tuh protege satu-satunya > > > > >> > > > >> > > > kebanggan anda tidak berani mengungkapkan pendapatnya > > > > >> > > > >> > > > sendiri pada tetangga yang tinggal di depan rumahnya. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > Itu yang jelas-jelas langkah yang merupakan feedback > > > > >> > > > >> > > > langsung dan mungkin, ini sih masih mungkin bisa > > > > >> > > > >> > > > memberikan perubahan. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > Apa haknya saya mencampuri yang bukan wewenang saya > > > > >> > > > >> > > > karena mereka tidak mewakili saya? Anda mau > > > > >> > > > >> > > > mencampuri, maka itu urusan anda sendiri. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > Saya membayar restribusi untuk semua fasilitas yang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > saya dan ibu saya terima di Australia. Kalau dihitung > > > > >> > > > >> > > > hingga dengan sen-sen yang dikeluarkan, maka > > > > >> > > > >> > > > kontribusi saya selama ini masih lebih banyak > > > > >> > > > >> > > > daripada nilai fasilitas yang didapat. Jadi ini tidak > > > > >> > > > >> > > > gratis dan saya malah menyumbang untuk orang lain > > > > >> > > > >> > > > selama ini. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > Jadi fasilitas ini tidak gratis dan saya membayar > > > > >> > > > >> > > > penuh. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" > > > > >> > > > >> > > > <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Betul-betul bajingan tengik. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Betul-betul bangsat keparat. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Betul-betul manusia oportunis bertabiat busuk, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > nista lagi menjijikkan. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Bukan urusannya, katanya, pejabat Indonesia > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > menjarah khasanah negara Indonesia dan menjadikan > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Indonesia dedel duwel lalu menghina korban > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > jarahannnya yang dimelaratkannnya sembari petatang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > petiting pamer mobil mewah dan pamer kekayaan.. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Saat dia, Teddy, menikmati jaminan kesehatan yang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > aduhai di Austrlia, hasil perjuangan orang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Australia yang seperti item abu peduli terhadap > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > kesenjangan sosial. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Selanjutnya: tidak peduli dengan adanya kejahatan > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > yang dilakukan pejabat bedebah di Indonesia itu > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > hakekatnya berpihak kepada pejabat penjahat itu. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Ada perbedaan besar antara berfihak dan tidak > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > peduli. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Asyik... > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Sekarang Teddy berpihak kepada penguasa bedebah > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > di Indonesia yang petatang petiting pamer > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > hasil jarahan mereka... > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Dan di Indonesia mobil mahal itu adalah sinonim > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > dengan mobil mewah... > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > Gawat, si belegug ini kagak bisa menyimak. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > Lu jelas-jelas terobsesi dengan mobil-mobil > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > mewah di mana lu punya definisi sendiri untuk > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > yang namanya mobil-mobil mewah. Buat lu asal > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > harganya relatif mahal, maka itu pastilah > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > mobil mewah. Padahal mobil-mobil pejabat yang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > lu recokin itu tidak termasuk kategori > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > mobil-mobil mewah dalam definisi standar > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > seperti yang disebutkan dalam WIKIPEDIA. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > Gua dalam hal ini tidak terlibat. Hak sang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > pejabat untuk punya mobil apapun juga. Gua > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > sih sama sekali tidak peduli karena bukan > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > urusan gua. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hehehe.. si keparat Teddy ini muter2 lidah > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > dan nambah dosanya dgn bikin fitnah baru. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > Gua cuma minta si Teddy ngebuktikan > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > ocehannya sendiri, lalu si Teddy ngoceh > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > seolah2 gua pernah ngelarang dia make > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > duitnya sendiri. Kapan tuh gua pernah > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > ngelarang si Teddy make duitnya sendiri > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > sesuka hatinya? Yg gua bilang adalah si > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > Teddy adalah bajingan rakus dan serakah, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > bajingan yg ga peduli dgn orang lain, bukan > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > ngelarang si Teddy make duit sesuka hatinya. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > Udah jelas si Teddy ini ga bisa ngebuktikan > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > ocehannya, tp dasar bajingan ga tau malu, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > dia msh ga mau ngaku bhw mulutnya adalah > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > lobang taik, padahal dia sendiri yg bilang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > kalo orang ga bisa ngebuktikan omongannya, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > maka ybs itu bermulut lobang taik. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > Emang tuh, dr mulut anjing ga akan tumbuh > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > gading. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 7:03 AM > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >mobil mewah > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >Ãâà> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >Gua kagak pernah secara explisit menyebut > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >mobil-mobil mewah seperti yang lu lakukan. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >Peduli amat dengan orang-orang yang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >memilikinya, karena itu urusan pribadi > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >orang. Hak orang untuk punya dan yang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >pasti duitnya bukan dari lu. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > ><itemabu@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Dan lu kaing2 gua terobsesi oleh mobil > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> mewah. Dasar mulut lobang taik lu ini. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >________________________________ > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 4:45 AM > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >mobil mewah > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >Terjemahan dari google karena takutnya > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >kesulitan menterjemahkan: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> Ada mobil ultra-tinggi kinerja dari > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> "merek eksotis" yang juga melebihi > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> US $ 100.000, tetapi belum tentu > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> dikategorikan sebagai mobil mewah, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> seperti sebagai mobil sport dari > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> Ferrari, Lamborghini dan Porsche, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> meskipun Porsche Panamera bersaing > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> dalam kemewahan high-end / ukuran > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> penuh kategori mewah. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Sudah terbukti anda yang dungu tapi > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> tidak mau langsung mengaku dan orang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> yang berotak busuk, nista lagi > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> menjijikan adalah orang yang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> fikiran-fikirannya saling > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> bertentangan dan hanya mementingkan > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> glorifikasi pribadi sendiri. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Baca dengan cermat DEFINISI mobil > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> mewah di mana unsur HARGA bukanlah > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> satu-satunya kriteria. Semua orang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> normal akan tahu bahwa Ferrari itu > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> merk sebuah mobil sport. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Kalau memang anda cermerlang tentunya > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> anda akan mampu merubah definisi yang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> diberikan WIKIPEDIA hingga WIKIPEDIA > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> mau meralat dan memasukan Ferrari > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> sebagai salah satu mobil yang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> termasuk dalam klasifikasi mobil > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> mewah. Saya tantang anda untuk > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> melakukan hal itu terhadap WIKIPEDIA. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Sekali lagi untuk yang diragukan > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> apakah mereka punya mata atau cuma > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> baso doang. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars from "exotic brands" that > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > also exceed US$100,000, but would > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > not necessarily be categorized as > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury automobiles, such as the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sports cars from Ferrari, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Lamborghini and Porsche, although > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Porsche Panamera does compete > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in the high-end luxury/full-size > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury category. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > Saya kutip, tanpa komentar karena > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > begitu jelas dungunya, referensi > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > Teddy yang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > adalah manusia oportunis berotak > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan ini > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > tentang mobil mewah: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > "Dengan demikian bisa dikatakan > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > Ferrari TIDAK termasuk kedalam > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > kelas mobil > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > mewah, walau harganya sendiri > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > relatif mahal. " > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Aneh bin ajaib kalau ada orang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > yang merasa dirinya demikian > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > pintar dan rajin menggugel dalam > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > hal-hal lain, tapi masih ngotot > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > dengan definisinya sendiri atas > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "mobil-mobil mewah". > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mumpung masih pagi dan ada > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sedikit waktu, jadi bolehlah > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sedikit berbelas kasihan > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > meluangkan waktu untuk membantu > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > membuka mata. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > --- > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Luxury vehicle is a marketing > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > term for a vehicle that provides > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬" > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > pleasant or desirable features > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > beyond strict > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > necessityÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬"at > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > increased expense (see: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > definition of luxury). The term > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > suggests a vehicle with greater > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > equipment, performance, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > construction precision, comfort, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > design ingenuity, technological > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > innovation, or features that > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > convey brand image, cachet, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > status, or > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > prestigeÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬"or > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > any other discretionary feature > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > or combination of features. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Luxury market segments > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Premium compact segment > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The premium compact > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > segment[clarification needed] or > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > small-luxury class is relatively > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > new, having been initiated by > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > several European brands in the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mid-2000s, and constitute the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > least expensive offerings in > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > their lineups. These cars are > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > targeted at a niche market of > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > young customers who have a more > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > refined taste in their > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > automobiles and the means to pay > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > for them.[citation needed] By > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > offering a smaller, lighter, more > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > fuel-efficient, and less > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > expensive vehicle, this serves to > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > introduce a younger customer to > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the luxury marque, in hopes of > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > retaining the coveted customer > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > loyalty.[citation needed] This > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > includes the Audi A3, BMW 1 > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Series, Lexus CT, and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz B-Class. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Premium compacts may share > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > components with mass market cars > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from the marque's parent company > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > (the A3), and/or have less > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sophisticated platforms compared > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > to upmarket vehicles in the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > lineup (such as the B-Class). The > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > body style tends to be a > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > hatchback or compact wagon, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > previously associated with > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > economy cars but regaining > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > popularity in the United States > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > for its afforded utility. The > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury branding and style, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > high-quality interior materials, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > wide range of convenience > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > features, and performance > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > powertrains are key to > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > distinguishing them from mass > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > market equivalents (one mistake > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > made by the Cadillac Cimarron) > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and making these appeal to > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > consumers. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The classification varies, for > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > instance Consumer Guide > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Automotive in the US considers > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Audi A3 and A4 as part of the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > premium compact segment due to > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > similar size and MSRP, though > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > these are known in Europe as a > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > small family car and a compact > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive car, respectively. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Entry-level luxury/compact > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive cars > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The entry-level luxury category > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > is also known as the compact > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive car in Britain and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > (Mittelklasse in German). In the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > US, this segment mostly includes > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the bottom vehicles in the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > line-up of luxury brands as well > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > as the top-of-the-line models of > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > some non-luxury brands. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Dimensionally, compact executive > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars are smaller than > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mid-size/large family cars, and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sometimes even smaller than > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > compact cars. Mass market compact > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars typically use the economical > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > front wheel drive transverse > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engine layout, well suited to the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > inline-4 engine, which also > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > maximizes interior room. Several > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > compact executive cars are > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > rear-wheel drive with > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > longitudinal engines, for > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > improved stability and handling, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and in order to accommodate the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > larger size of higher-performance > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engines (straight-6, V6, rarely > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > V8), with four-wheel drive often > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > being available. Compact > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive cars also tend have > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > more complicated independent > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > suspensions, sportier > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > transmissions, and high > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > revolution engines that may > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > require premium gasoline. The > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > more complex powertrain and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mechanical layouts of compact > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive cars comes at increased > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cost and reduced interior > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > passenger and trunk space. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Compact executive cars include > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Volvo S60, Acura TSX, Lexus > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > IS, BMW 3 Series, Audi A4, and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz C-Class which > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > particularly emphasize sporty > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > handling. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Other vehicles such as the Lexus > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > ES, Acura TL, Chrysler 300, and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Buick LaCrosse are also > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > considered entry-level luxury in > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the United States and Canada, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > being similar in price to the BMW > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 3 Series and Mercedes-Benz > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > C-Class. However, the ES, TL, and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > LaCrosse are not sold in Europe > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and do not fall under European > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury classifications. The ES > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and TL actually began as badge > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engineered versions of the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > midsize Toyota Camry and Honda > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Accord, respectively, retaining > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the front wheel drive transverse > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engine layout, whereas Toyota's > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > current Lexus IS does not share a > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > platform with mass market Toyota > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars. The ES and TL are not > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > considered executive cars either, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > despite similar dimensions, since > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive cars usually emphasize > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > higher performance, often being > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > rear-wheel drive with > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > longitudinal engines. The present > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > iterations of the ES and LaCrosse > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > emphasize "comfortable, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > reasonably priced luxury", while > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the TL has recently been > > > > targeted at > > > > >> > > > the entry-level > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > luxury > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> sport market. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Recently, the entry-level luxury > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > has been very competitive, and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > there has been price-overlapping > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > with well-equipped non-luxury > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars. The bestselling vehicles of > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the marque are frequently compact > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive cars, such as the BMW 3 > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Series that makes up 40% of the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > vehicles that BMW sells worldwide. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mid-luxury/executive cars > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The mid-luxury segment are > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > commonly referred to as executive > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars in Britain, Obere > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mittelklasse in German, and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Grandes RoutiÃÆ'Ã'Ãâères > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in French. Examples include the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Volvo S80, BMW 5 Series, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz E-Class, and Jaguar > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > XF > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Although having similar > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > dimensions to mid-size cars and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > large family cars, executive cars > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > are engineered and positioned as > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > premium vehicles with better > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > performance and technology > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > amenities. There are also higher > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > development and production costs, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > as many well-known mid-luxury > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars use the longitudinal > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > (usually front engine rear wheel > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > drive layout) engine mounting > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > which affords space for powerful > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engines such as a V8, instead of > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the more economical transverse > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engine layout of mass market cars > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > which are restricted to inline-4 > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > or V6. Executive cars usually > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > have lower sales and production > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > volumes compared to mid-size cars > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and large family cars, as base > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > trims with less equipment and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > smaller engines are not sold in > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > U.S. and Canadian markets. Also > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > due to the problem of steep > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > depreciation, especially > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > concerning cars from less > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > prestigious brands, most > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive cars are produced by > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > marques that specialize in > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > larger/more > > > > expensive > > > > >> > > > vehicles. Particularly in > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> the United States, the mid-luxury > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> segment is dominated by Mercedes-Benz > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> and BMW, as executive cars from > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> lesser-known manufacturers such as > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> CitroÃÆ'Ã'Ãâën and Infiniti have > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> not had much success. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Vehicles in this segment include > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the mid-range models of several > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury car manufacturers. There > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > are also some flagship sedans in > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > this segment, such as the Acura > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > RL and Infiniti M. Executive cars > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > such as the BMW 5 Series are > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > crucial to a luxury automaker's > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > bottom line, and although not the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > highest-selling model, they > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > generate a significant amount of > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > profits due to the lucrative > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > technology options. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > High-end luxury/full-size luxury > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Also known as full-size luxury > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars, grand saloons, or premium > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > large cars, while "Oberklasse" is > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > used in Germany. Many of these > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > are the marque's showcases for > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the newest automotive technology. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Several nameplates also offer > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > long-wheelbase versions that > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > offer additional rear legroom and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > amenities. Full-size luxury cars > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sold in Canada and the U.S. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > typically have mid-displacement > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > V8 engines, though recently some > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > marques have offered six cylinder > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > powerplants but without much > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > success. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Vehicles in this category include > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > some of the models from the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > flagship lines of luxury car > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > brands. Examples include the Audi > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Lexus LS, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Volkswagen Phaeton, and in the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > US, the Lincoln Town Car and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Cadillac DTS. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Ultra-luxury cars > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > R.L. Polk and Company, a global > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > automotive information and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > marketing firm that provides > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > solutions to automotive and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > related industries, has defined > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the term "super luxury" segment > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > for luxury cars costing more than > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > US$100,000. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > This bracket includes the entire > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > lineup of Rolls Royce, Bentley, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Aston Martin, Maybach, and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Maserati, as these marques do not > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > offer lower-priced offerings in > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the entry-level luxury or > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mid-luxury segments like more > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mainstream luxury brands like BMW > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and Mercedes-Benz. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Rolls Royce and Bentley have > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > attempted to move downmarket > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > somewhat with offerings priced > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > considerably lower than their > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > traditional offerings (Rolls > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Royce Phantom and Bentley > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mulsanne) such as the Rolls Royce > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Ghost and the Bentley Continental > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > GT, creating what Car and Driver > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > describes as the "entry-opulent > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > segment". Bentley, Maybach, and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Rolls-Royce vehicles share > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > platforms and engines with other > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury brands from their parent > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > auto company, however Rolls-Royce > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and Bentley are assembled in > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > England (separate from the rest > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > of BMW and Volkswagen Group's > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > production plants) and this > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "exclusivity" has made these > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > British marques a sales success. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > By comparison, Maybachs are built > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > alongside the Mercedes-Benz > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > S-Class flagship sedan which has > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > explained why it has not fared > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > well in the market, furthermore > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Maybach's pedigree was > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > virtually unknown outside of > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Germany unlike its British rivals > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > which have long enjoyed renown > > > > worldwide. A > > > > >> > > > Bentley executive was > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> quoted as saying "that the brand's > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> exclusivity, history and obsessive > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> luxury help to convince customers that a > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Bentley is worth the price" which is at > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> least twice that of a flagship luxury > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> car from BMW or Mercedes-Benz. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The top-performing variants of > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > flagship cars from Audi, BMW, and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz are often included > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > here as well. They often have > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 12-cylinder (usually V12) engines > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > for great refinement and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > smoothness, even though > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > contemporary V8 engines can make > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > similar output while being less > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > expensive. While BMW sells far > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > fewer V12-engined 7-Series > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > vehicles than V8 versions, the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > V12 retains popularity in the US, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > China, and Russia, as well as > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > maintaining the marque's prestige > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in the luxury vehicle market > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > segment. These ultra-luxury trims > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > also feature standard luxury and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > technology features that would be > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > considered optional on their V8 > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > siblings. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars from "exotic brands" that > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > also exceed US$100,000, but would > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > not necessarily be categorized as > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury automobiles, such as the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sports cars from Ferrari, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Lamborghini and Porsche, although > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Porsche Panamera does compete > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in the high-end luxury/full-size > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury category. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > --- > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Jadi berdasarkan informasi yang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > diberikan oleh WIKIPEDIA, Toyota > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > bukanlah merk mobil mewah (baca > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > lagi definisinya di atas) untuk > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > kelas mobil mewah Toyota punya > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > merk sendiri, yaitu L.... (cari > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sendiri jawabnya, jangan mau > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > disuapin aja). > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Berdasarkan pernyataan WIKIPEDIA > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > pada > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxury_vehicle: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars from "exotic brands" that > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > also exceed US$100,000, but would > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > not necessarily be categorized as > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury automobiles, such as the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sports cars from Ferrari, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Lamborghini and Porsche, although > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Porsche Panamera does compete > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in the high-end luxury/full-size > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury category. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Dengan demikian bisa dikatakan > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Ferrari TIDAK termasuk kedalam > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > kelas mobil mewah, walau harganya > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sendiri relatif mahal. Saat dulu > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > berdiskusi dengan johny, kami > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sedang memperbincangkan > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > kenikmatan berkendaraan dengan > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > akselerasi tinggi, bukannya > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > memperbincangkan mobil mewah. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Baca lagi itu tulisan. Mengutip > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > kata-kata guru wanita SMA kami di > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Bandung dulu (kebetulan beliau > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > berdarah Ambon) yang mengajar > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > pelajaran bahasa Jerman: "Meneer, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > itu mata apa baso, Meneer?" > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Gaploki kepala sendiri 10 kali > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > karena sudah membuang waku orang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > untuk menerangkan sesuatu yang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > bisa dicari sendiri. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> been removed] > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > been removed] > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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