Eh anjing tua Yang doyan ngebunuh di indonesia itu bukan cuman orang beragama islam
Dasar kakek anjing Gw udah bilang, apapun agamanya kalau otaknya otak babi kayak elo ya bisa aja jadi pembuniuh Elo pikir elo lebih baik dari pembunuh? Elo bahkan lebih nista dari pembunuh Mulut babi elo yang busuk itu doang yang kaing kaing gak jelas Elo itu babi berotak udang, bangga kalau diledekin dan dimaki maki Sakit jiwa elo pig -----Original Message----- From: "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.peda...@yahoo.com> Sender: proletar@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:56:25 To: <proletar@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: proletar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah (Teddy bangsat itu, katanya, tidak peduli..) Tolol... Goblok. Bodoh. Dungu. Pandir. Dia lupa apa yang terjadi tahun 1965-1966 di Indonesia misalnya ketika orang Islam banyak yang berebut membunuhi tetangga atau kenalan baikya pendukung Orde Lama... --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "teddysrachman" <teddyr@...> wrote: > > Saya yakin 100% bahwa orang-orang di milis ini tidak akan pernah punya > fikiran seperti itu. Kolega saya sangat banyak yang Muslim karena berasal > dari Bangladesh, Pakistan dan Iran. Ada yang cukup ketat menjalankan ajaran, > tapi ada pula yang sangat longgar. Misalnya saja, ada kolega wanita asal > Bangladesh yang dibesarkan di Saudi Arabia dengan ayahnya saat itu menjadi > dosen senior di Saudi Arabia. Mereka pindah ke Australia saat kolega saya > menjelang dewasa karena menyadari keadaan yang kurang menguntungkan bagi kaum > wanita di sana. Sudah beberapa waktu dia mengutarakan keinginannya untuk > memakai 'niqab' di kantor dan ternyata setelah cuti Lebaran Haji yang baru > lewat dia masuk ke kantor sudah dengan berjilbab (bukan niqab). Tidak ada > seorangpun yang mempermasalahkan hal ini, tapi kalau menggunakan 'niqab' > terus terang mungkin akan terlalu mencolok, apalagi jika dikaitkan dengan > kejadian belum lama ini di Sydney. > > Di Indonesia semua bentuk kerusuhan ada dalangnya dan pasti ada tujuannya. > Sementara di luar Indonesia lebih merupakan unsur solidaritas dengan > Palestina disamping menguatnya faham Wahabbi dengan adanya dukungan dana yang > sangat besar. Seorang bekas kolega asal Iran tampaknya demikian membenci > Israel. Saya katakan menurut saya antara Iran dan Israel tidak pernah > terlibat perang sebelumnya. Kata-kata saya membuat dia tercengang sejenak dan > selanjutnya mengakui bahwa itu memang benar dan mereka intinya bersimpati > dengan perjuangan rakyat Palestina. > > Saya mengetahui dari kolega saya bahwa dia tidak akan beribadah dalam mesjid > milik aliran lain, tapi apa salahnya? Di sini orang-orang Thai juga akan > beribadah pada kuil Budha mereka sendiri, sementara orang-orang Khmer punya > kuil Budha sendiri. Sama halnya dengan demikian banyak aliran gereja Kristen > yang punya gereja sendiri-sendiri. > > Perbedaan akan selalu ada dan jika ingin bisa hidup berdampingan dengan > damai, maka harus bisa menerimanya. Sudah ratusan tahun berbagai agama bisa > hidup dalam damai di Indonesia dan itu adalah bukti orang Indonesia cukup > toleran. > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > > > > > > Karena anda penjilat pantat orang Islam yang adalah penindas perempuan, > > tukang bakar gereja, tukang bantai ahmadiyah, tukang bunuhin kafir... > > > > Yang tidak ana maklumi adalah bahwa orang Islam yang hari ini berbaik-baik > > dengan anda besok,bisa saja dengan penuh semangat menebas batang leher anda > > karena dia menurutkan ajaran agamanya,... > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > > > Lu boleh tebak lagi agama gua apa, tapi seperti gua bilang agama itu > > > urusan pribadi masing-masing. Gua tidak pernah punya masalah berteman > > > dengan orang yang beragama apapun juga. > > > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Jadi si Teddy ini Kristen? Hehehe.... gua koq ga pernah tau ada orang > > > > Kristen yg punya prinsip main balas + bunga. > > > > > > > > Makanya, si Teddy itu ga berani bilang apa agamanya, krn kalo bener > > > > agamanya Kristen, maka si Teddy udah kepergok sbg orang bejad nurut > > > > ajaran Kristen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > > > > From: Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > >Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 2:07 PM > > > > >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah (Teddy bangsat itu, > > > > >katanya, tidak peduli..) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ya sudah terbukti bahwa tabiat Teddy itu persis sama busuknya dengan > > > > >orang Islam disini yang berdiam diri dihadapan teror Islam terhadap > > > > >minoritas... > > > > > > > > > >Agar jelas: orang Nasrani yang berhati-hati tapi terus berusaha > > > > >mempertahankan haknya bukan orang Nasrani yang pengecut.. > > > > > > > > > >Yang pengecut itu adalah oportunis bertabit nista lagi menjijikkan > > > > >seperti anda yang berdiam diri dihadapan penindasan orang Islam > > > > >terhadap minoritas dan dihadapan ketidak adilan di Indonesia. > > > > > > > > > >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Kalau sebelumnya itu baru berupa tuduhan, sekarang sudah terbukti > > > > >> berdasarkan hasil pengakuannya sendiri. Kurang jelas apa lagi? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Persis kayak Roman Proteus yang sedeng: item abu, katanya, adalah > > > > >> > pengecut... > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Makin jelas bahwa memang banyak persamaan antara Teddy ini dengan > > > > >> > orang Islam disini... > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > Pengecut!!! (ala film-film Amerika dengan diiringi nada-nada > > > > >> > > dari lagu kebangsaan Perancis, La Marseillaise). > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Hehehe ... gua sih ga heran kalo si Teddy bisa galak dan buas > > > > >> > > > kalo ngebela kepentingannya sendiri. Anjing jg bisa galak kalo > > > > >> > > > tulangnya mau diambil anjing lain. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Tp si Teddy ini lebih rendah dr anjing krn ga tau malu padahal > > > > >> > > > anjing itu mash tahu malu. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >________________________________ > > > > >> > > > > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@> > > > > >> > > > >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > >> > > > >Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:00 AM > > > > >> > > > >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah (Teddy > > > > >> > > > >bangsat itu, katanya, tidak peduli..) > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >à> > > > >> > > > >Apakah pejabat tersebut menyadarinya? Itu perbuatan yang sama > > > > >> > > > >sia-sianya dengan membenturkan kepala sendiri ke tembok. Saat > > > > >> > > > >saya dulu berurusan dengan pawai Pemilu Partai Golkar, > > > > >> > > > >rombongan tersebut saya kejar hingga ke markas mereka di > > > > >> > > > >Menteng, Jakarta. Saya temui kepala rombongan mereka, saya > > > > >> > > > >jelaskan masalahnya dan saya tuntut permohonan maaf dengan > > > > >> > > > >memberikan nama dan alamat di mana sang kepala rombongan > > > > >> > > > >berjanji untuk mengirim orang ke rumah. Itu contoh yang > > > > >> > > > >langsung bisa dirasakan pejabat terkait. Protege anda ini > > > > >> > > > >luar biasa pengecutnya. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >Satu hal, saya di sini bekerja dan bisa dikatakan kontribusi > > > > >> > > > >saya melebihi semua fasilitas yang kami terima. Sebetulnya > > > > >> > > > >saya lebih menghendaki sistem perpajakan seperti di AS > > > > >> > > > >berlaku di Australia di mana potongan pajak jauh lebih > > > > >> > > > >rendah. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >Simpan kata-kata busuk anda bagi orang-orang yang > > > > >> > > > >ongkang-ongkang kaki tanpa bekerja dengan memanfaatkan uang > > > > >> > > > >pajak orang banyak. > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" > > > > >> > > > ><bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> Pertama: menolak undangan bedebah, seerti yagn dilakukan > > > > >> > > > >> item abu itu artinya tidak berdiam diri dihadapan > > > > >> > > > >> kejahatan yang dilakukan bedebah itu. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> Kedua: sepanjang yang menyangkut kegiatan saya sejak tahun > > > > >> > > > >> 1972 hingga Orde Naru jatuh, saya bisa bilang, disamping > > > > >> > > > >> mendiang Ernst Utrecht dan sahabat saya Lim, saya adalah > > > > >> > > > >> orang Indonesia yang dari negeri Belanda yang ikut > > > > >> > > > >> mendukung usaha orang di Indonesia menjatuhkan Orde Baru. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> Saya tidak sekedar bersenang-senang di negeri orang > > > > >> > > > >> menikmati jaminan sosial dan jaminan ksehatan yagn aduhai > > > > >> > > > >> seperti anda yagn adalah manusia oportunis yang bertabiat > > > > >> > > > >> busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > Ha ha ha. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > Tidak datang memenuhi undangan dan membenturkan kepala > > > > >> > > > >> > sendiri ke tembok itu sama-sama tak ada artinya. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > Coba anda bercermin diri dan melihat apakah ada perubahan > > > > >> > > > >> > besar yang telah terjadi di Indonesia yang merupakan > > > > >> > > > >> > hasil "perjuangan" anda selama ini? > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > Di sini semuanya tidak gratis dan malahan saya masih > > > > >> > > > >> > menyumbang orang lain. Sementara ada cukup banyak yang > > > > >> > > > >> > menjadi 'dole bludgers' yang sebagiannya enak-enak > > > > >> > > > >> > berselancar tiap harinya. Anda kira orang-orang ini > > > > >> > > > >> > pantas menerima santunan? > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" > > > > >> > > > >> > <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > "item abu" menyatakan pendapatnya dengan tidak datang > > > > >> > > > >> > > memenuhi undangan yang disampaikan kepadanya.. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > Ini satu. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > Yagn kedua: anda itu oportunis busuk, nisgtfa lagi > > > > >> > > > >> > > menjijikkan karena anda enak-enak hidup di negeri yang > > > > >> > > > >> > > punya jaminan sosial dan jaminan kesehatan yagn aduhai, > > > > >> > > > >> > > hasil perjuangan orang yang peduli akan kesenjangan > > > > >> > > > >> > > sosial, lalua nda bicara tentang mobil mewah dan anda > > > > >> > > > >> > > tidak peduli dengan kejahatan yang dilakukan oleh para > > > > >> > > > >> > > bedebah yang menjarah khasanah negara Indonsia - > > > > >> > > > >> > > sembari merek menghina korban jarahannnnya yang jadi > > > > >> > > > >> > > melarat dengan petatagng petiting dengan mobil mewah > > > > >> > > > >> > > hasil jarahannya. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > Anda itu betulk-betul adalah bangsat oppotunis busuk, > > > > >> > > > >> > > nista lagi menjijikkan. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@> > > > > >> > > > >> > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > Tidak usah jauh-jauh, tuh protege satu-satunya > > > > >> > > > >> > > > kebanggan anda tidak berani mengungkapkan pendapatnya > > > > >> > > > >> > > > sendiri pada tetangga yang tinggal di depan rumahnya. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > Itu yang jelas-jelas langkah yang merupakan feedback > > > > >> > > > >> > > > langsung dan mungkin, ini sih masih mungkin bisa > > > > >> > > > >> > > > memberikan perubahan. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > Apa haknya saya mencampuri yang bukan wewenang saya > > > > >> > > > >> > > > karena mereka tidak mewakili saya? Anda mau > > > > >> > > > >> > > > mencampuri, maka itu urusan anda sendiri. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > Saya membayar restribusi untuk semua fasilitas yang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > saya dan ibu saya terima di Australia. Kalau dihitung > > > > >> > > > >> > > > hingga dengan sen-sen yang dikeluarkan, maka > > > > >> > > > >> > > > kontribusi saya selama ini masih lebih banyak > > > > >> > > > >> > > > daripada nilai fasilitas yang didapat. Jadi ini tidak > > > > >> > > > >> > > > gratis dan saya malah menyumbang untuk orang lain > > > > >> > > > >> > > > selama ini. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > Jadi fasilitas ini tidak gratis dan saya membayar > > > > >> > > > >> > > > penuh. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" > > > > >> > > > >> > > > <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Betul-betul bajingan tengik. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Betul-betul bangsat keparat. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Betul-betul manusia oportunis bertabiat busuk, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > nista lagi menjijikkan. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Bukan urusannya, katanya, pejabat Indonesia > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > menjarah khasanah negara Indonesia dan menjadikan > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Indonesia dedel duwel lalu menghina korban > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > jarahannnya yang dimelaratkannnya sembari petatang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > petiting pamer mobil mewah dan pamer kekayaan.. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Saat dia, Teddy, menikmati jaminan kesehatan yang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > aduhai di Austrlia, hasil perjuangan orang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Australia yang seperti item abu peduli terhadap > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > kesenjangan sosial. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Selanjutnya: tidak peduli dengan adanya kejahatan > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > yang dilakukan pejabat bedebah di Indonesia itu > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > hakekatnya berpihak kepada pejabat penjahat itu. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Ada perbedaan besar antara berfihak dan tidak > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > peduli. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Asyik... > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Sekarang Teddy berpihak kepada penguasa bedebah > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > di Indonesia yang petatang petiting pamer > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > hasil jarahan mereka... > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Dan di Indonesia mobil mahal itu adalah sinonim > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > dengan mobil mewah... > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > Gawat, si belegug ini kagak bisa menyimak. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > Lu jelas-jelas terobsesi dengan mobil-mobil > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > mewah di mana lu punya definisi sendiri untuk > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > yang namanya mobil-mobil mewah. Buat lu asal > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > harganya relatif mahal, maka itu pastilah > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > mobil mewah. Padahal mobil-mobil pejabat yang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > lu recokin itu tidak termasuk kategori > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > mobil-mobil mewah dalam definisi standar > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > seperti yang disebutkan dalam WIKIPEDIA. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > Gua dalam hal ini tidak terlibat. Hak sang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > pejabat untuk punya mobil apapun juga. Gua > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > sih sama sekali tidak peduli karena bukan > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > urusan gua. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hehehe.. si keparat Teddy ini muter2 lidah > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > dan nambah dosanya dgn bikin fitnah baru. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > Gua cuma minta si Teddy ngebuktikan > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > ocehannya sendiri, lalu si Teddy ngoceh > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > seolah2 gua pernah ngelarang dia make > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > duitnya sendiri. Kapan tuh gua pernah > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > ngelarang si Teddy make duitnya sendiri > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > sesuka hatinya? Yg gua bilang adalah si > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > Teddy adalah bajingan rakus dan serakah, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > bajingan yg ga peduli dgn orang lain, bukan > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > ngelarang si Teddy make duit sesuka hatinya. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > Udah jelas si Teddy ini ga bisa ngebuktikan > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > ocehannya, tp dasar bajingan ga tau malu, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > dia msh ga mau ngaku bhw mulutnya adalah > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > lobang taik, padahal dia sendiri yg bilang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > kalo orang ga bisa ngebuktikan omongannya, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > maka ybs itu bermulut lobang taik. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > Emang tuh, dr mulut anjing ga akan tumbuh > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > gading. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 7:03 AM > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >mobil mewah > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >Ãâà> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >Gua kagak pernah secara explisit menyebut > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >mobil-mobil mewah seperti yang lu lakukan. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >Peduli amat dengan orang-orang yang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >memilikinya, karena itu urusan pribadi > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >orang. Hak orang untuk punya dan yang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >pasti duitnya bukan dari lu. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > ><itemabu@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Dan lu kaing2 gua terobsesi oleh mobil > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> mewah. Dasar mulut lobang taik lu ini. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >________________________________ > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 4:45 AM > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >mobil mewah > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >Terjemahan dari google karena takutnya > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >kesulitan menterjemahkan: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> Ada mobil ultra-tinggi kinerja dari > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> "merek eksotis" yang juga melebihi > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> US $ 100.000, tetapi belum tentu > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> dikategorikan sebagai mobil mewah, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> seperti sebagai mobil sport dari > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> Ferrari, Lamborghini dan Porsche, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> meskipun Porsche Panamera bersaing > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> dalam kemewahan high-end / ukuran > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> penuh kategori mewah. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Sudah terbukti anda yang dungu tapi > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> tidak mau langsung mengaku dan orang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> yang berotak busuk, nista lagi > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> menjijikan adalah orang yang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> fikiran-fikirannya saling > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> bertentangan dan hanya mementingkan > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> glorifikasi pribadi sendiri. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Baca dengan cermat DEFINISI mobil > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> mewah di mana unsur HARGA bukanlah > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> satu-satunya kriteria. Semua orang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> normal akan tahu bahwa Ferrari itu > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> merk sebuah mobil sport. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Kalau memang anda cermerlang tentunya > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> anda akan mampu merubah definisi yang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> diberikan WIKIPEDIA hingga WIKIPEDIA > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> mau meralat dan memasukan Ferrari > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> sebagai salah satu mobil yang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> termasuk dalam klasifikasi mobil > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> mewah. Saya tantang anda untuk > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> melakukan hal itu terhadap WIKIPEDIA. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Sekali lagi untuk yang diragukan > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> apakah mereka punya mata atau cuma > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> baso doang. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars from "exotic brands" that > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > also exceed US$100,000, but would > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > not necessarily be categorized as > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury automobiles, such as the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sports cars from Ferrari, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Lamborghini and Porsche, although > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Porsche Panamera does compete > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in the high-end luxury/full-size > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury category. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > Saya kutip, tanpa komentar karena > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > begitu jelas dungunya, referensi > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > Teddy yang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > adalah manusia oportunis berotak > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan ini > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > tentang mobil mewah: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > "Dengan demikian bisa dikatakan > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > Ferrari TIDAK termasuk kedalam > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > kelas mobil > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > mewah, walau harganya sendiri > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > relatif mahal. " > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Aneh bin ajaib kalau ada orang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > yang merasa dirinya demikian > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > pintar dan rajin menggugel dalam > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > hal-hal lain, tapi masih ngotot > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > dengan definisinya sendiri atas > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "mobil-mobil mewah". > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mumpung masih pagi dan ada > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sedikit waktu, jadi bolehlah > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sedikit berbelas kasihan > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > meluangkan waktu untuk membantu > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > membuka mata. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > --- > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Luxury vehicle is a marketing > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > term for a vehicle that provides > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬" > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > pleasant or desirable features > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > beyond strict > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > necessityÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬"at > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > increased expense (see: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > definition of luxury). The term > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > suggests a vehicle with greater > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > equipment, performance, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > construction precision, comfort, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > design ingenuity, technological > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > innovation, or features that > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > convey brand image, cachet, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > status, or > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > prestigeÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬"or > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > any other discretionary feature > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > or combination of features. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Luxury market segments > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Premium compact segment > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The premium compact > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > segment[clarification needed] or > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > small-luxury class is relatively > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > new, having been initiated by > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > several European brands in the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mid-2000s, and constitute the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > least expensive offerings in > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > their lineups. These cars are > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > targeted at a niche market of > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > young customers who have a more > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > refined taste in their > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > automobiles and the means to pay > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > for them.[citation needed] By > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > offering a smaller, lighter, more > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > fuel-efficient, and less > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > expensive vehicle, this serves to > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > introduce a younger customer to > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the luxury marque, in hopes of > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > retaining the coveted customer > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > loyalty.[citation needed] This > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > includes the Audi A3, BMW 1 > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Series, Lexus CT, and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz B-Class. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Premium compacts may share > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > components with mass market cars > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from the marque's parent company > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > (the A3), and/or have less > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sophisticated platforms compared > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > to upmarket vehicles in the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > lineup (such as the B-Class). The > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > body style tends to be a > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > hatchback or compact wagon, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > previously associated with > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > economy cars but regaining > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > popularity in the United States > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > for its afforded utility. The > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury branding and style, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > high-quality interior materials, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > wide range of convenience > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > features, and performance > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > powertrains are key to > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > distinguishing them from mass > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > market equivalents (one mistake > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > made by the Cadillac Cimarron) > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and making these appeal to > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > consumers. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The classification varies, for > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > instance Consumer Guide > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Automotive in the US considers > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Audi A3 and A4 as part of the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > premium compact segment due to > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > similar size and MSRP, though > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > these are known in Europe as a > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > small family car and a compact > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive car, respectively. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Entry-level luxury/compact > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive cars > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The entry-level luxury category > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > is also known as the compact > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive car in Britain and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > (Mittelklasse in German). In the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > US, this segment mostly includes > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the bottom vehicles in the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > line-up of luxury brands as well > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > as the top-of-the-line models of > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > some non-luxury brands. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Dimensionally, compact executive > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars are smaller than > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mid-size/large family cars, and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sometimes even smaller than > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > compact cars. Mass market compact > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars typically use the economical > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > front wheel drive transverse > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engine layout, well suited to the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > inline-4 engine, which also > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > maximizes interior room. Several > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > compact executive cars are > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > rear-wheel drive with > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > longitudinal engines, for > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > improved stability and handling, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and in order to accommodate the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > larger size of higher-performance > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engines (straight-6, V6, rarely > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > V8), with four-wheel drive often > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > being available. Compact > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive cars also tend have > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > more complicated independent > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > suspensions, sportier > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > transmissions, and high > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > revolution engines that may > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > require premium gasoline. The > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > more complex powertrain and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mechanical layouts of compact > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive cars comes at increased > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cost and reduced interior > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > passenger and trunk space. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Compact executive cars include > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Volvo S60, Acura TSX, Lexus > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > IS, BMW 3 Series, Audi A4, and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz C-Class which > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > particularly emphasize sporty > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > handling. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Other vehicles such as the Lexus > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > ES, Acura TL, Chrysler 300, and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Buick LaCrosse are also > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > considered entry-level luxury in > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the United States and Canada, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > being similar in price to the BMW > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 3 Series and Mercedes-Benz > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > C-Class. However, the ES, TL, and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > LaCrosse are not sold in Europe > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and do not fall under European > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury classifications. The ES > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and TL actually began as badge > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engineered versions of the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > midsize Toyota Camry and Honda > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Accord, respectively, retaining > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the front wheel drive transverse > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engine layout, whereas Toyota's > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > current Lexus IS does not share a > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > platform with mass market Toyota > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars. The ES and TL are not > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > considered executive cars either, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > despite similar dimensions, since > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive cars usually emphasize > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > higher performance, often being > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > rear-wheel drive with > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > longitudinal engines. The present > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > iterations of the ES and LaCrosse > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > emphasize "comfortable, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > reasonably priced luxury", while > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the TL has recently been > > > > targeted at > > > > >> > > > the entry-level > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > luxury > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> sport market. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Recently, the entry-level luxury > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > has been very competitive, and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > there has been price-overlapping > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > with well-equipped non-luxury > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars. The bestselling vehicles of > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the marque are frequently compact > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive cars, such as the BMW 3 > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Series that makes up 40% of the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > vehicles that BMW sells worldwide. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mid-luxury/executive cars > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The mid-luxury segment are > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > commonly referred to as executive > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars in Britain, Obere > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mittelklasse in German, and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Grandes RoutiÃÆ'Ã'Ãâères > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in French. Examples include the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Volvo S80, BMW 5 Series, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz E-Class, and Jaguar > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > XF > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Although having similar > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > dimensions to mid-size cars and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > large family cars, executive cars > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > are engineered and positioned as > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > premium vehicles with better > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > performance and technology > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > amenities. There are also higher > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > development and production costs, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > as many well-known mid-luxury > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars use the longitudinal > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > (usually front engine rear wheel > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > drive layout) engine mounting > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > which affords space for powerful > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engines such as a V8, instead of > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the more economical transverse > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engine layout of mass market cars > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > which are restricted to inline-4 > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > or V6. Executive cars usually > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > have lower sales and production > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > volumes compared to mid-size cars > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and large family cars, as base > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > trims with less equipment and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > smaller engines are not sold in > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > U.S. and Canadian markets. Also > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > due to the problem of steep > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > depreciation, especially > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > concerning cars from less > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > prestigious brands, most > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive cars are produced by > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > marques that specialize in > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > larger/more > > > > expensive > > > > >> > > > vehicles. Particularly in > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> the United States, the mid-luxury > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> segment is dominated by Mercedes-Benz > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> and BMW, as executive cars from > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> lesser-known manufacturers such as > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> CitroÃÆ'Ã'Ãâën and Infiniti have > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> not had much success. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Vehicles in this segment include > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the mid-range models of several > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury car manufacturers. There > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > are also some flagship sedans in > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > this segment, such as the Acura > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > RL and Infiniti M. Executive cars > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > such as the BMW 5 Series are > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > crucial to a luxury automaker's > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > bottom line, and although not the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > highest-selling model, they > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > generate a significant amount of > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > profits due to the lucrative > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > technology options. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > High-end luxury/full-size luxury > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Also known as full-size luxury > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars, grand saloons, or premium > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > large cars, while "Oberklasse" is > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > used in Germany. Many of these > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > are the marque's showcases for > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the newest automotive technology. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Several nameplates also offer > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > long-wheelbase versions that > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > offer additional rear legroom and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > amenities. Full-size luxury cars > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sold in Canada and the U.S. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > typically have mid-displacement > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > V8 engines, though recently some > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > marques have offered six cylinder > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > powerplants but without much > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > success. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Vehicles in this category include > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > some of the models from the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > flagship lines of luxury car > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > brands. Examples include the Audi > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Lexus LS, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Volkswagen Phaeton, and in the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > US, the Lincoln Town Car and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Cadillac DTS. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Ultra-luxury cars > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > R.L. Polk and Company, a global > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > automotive information and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > marketing firm that provides > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > solutions to automotive and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > related industries, has defined > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the term "super luxury" segment > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > for luxury cars costing more than > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > US$100,000. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > This bracket includes the entire > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > lineup of Rolls Royce, Bentley, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Aston Martin, Maybach, and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Maserati, as these marques do not > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > offer lower-priced offerings in > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the entry-level luxury or > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mid-luxury segments like more > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mainstream luxury brands like BMW > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and Mercedes-Benz. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Rolls Royce and Bentley have > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > attempted to move downmarket > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > somewhat with offerings priced > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > considerably lower than their > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > traditional offerings (Rolls > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Royce Phantom and Bentley > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mulsanne) such as the Rolls Royce > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Ghost and the Bentley Continental > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > GT, creating what Car and Driver > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > describes as the "entry-opulent > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > segment". Bentley, Maybach, and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Rolls-Royce vehicles share > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > platforms and engines with other > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury brands from their parent > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > auto company, however Rolls-Royce > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and Bentley are assembled in > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > England (separate from the rest > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > of BMW and Volkswagen Group's > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > production plants) and this > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "exclusivity" has made these > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > British marques a sales success. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > By comparison, Maybachs are built > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > alongside the Mercedes-Benz > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > S-Class flagship sedan which has > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > explained why it has not fared > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > well in the market, furthermore > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Maybach's pedigree was > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > virtually unknown outside of > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Germany unlike its British rivals > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > which have long enjoyed renown > > > > worldwide. A > > > > >> > > > Bentley executive was > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> quoted as saying "that the brand's > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> exclusivity, history and obsessive > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> luxury help to convince customers that a > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Bentley is worth the price" which is at > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> least twice that of a flagship luxury > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> car from BMW or Mercedes-Benz. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The top-performing variants of > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > flagship cars from Audi, BMW, and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz are often included > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > here as well. They often have > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 12-cylinder (usually V12) engines > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > for great refinement and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > smoothness, even though > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > contemporary V8 engines can make > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > similar output while being less > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > expensive. While BMW sells far > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > fewer V12-engined 7-Series > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > vehicles than V8 versions, the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > V12 retains popularity in the US, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > China, and Russia, as well as > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > maintaining the marque's prestige > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in the luxury vehicle market > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > segment. These ultra-luxury trims > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > also feature standard luxury and > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > technology features that would be > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > considered optional on their V8 > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > siblings. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars from "exotic brands" that > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > also exceed US$100,000, but would > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > not necessarily be categorized as > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury automobiles, such as the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sports cars from Ferrari, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Lamborghini and Porsche, although > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Porsche Panamera does compete > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in the high-end luxury/full-size > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury category. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > --- > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Jadi berdasarkan informasi yang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > diberikan oleh WIKIPEDIA, Toyota > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > bukanlah merk mobil mewah (baca > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > lagi definisinya di atas) untuk > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > kelas mobil mewah Toyota punya > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > merk sendiri, yaitu L.... (cari > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sendiri jawabnya, jangan mau > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > disuapin aja). > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Berdasarkan pernyataan WIKIPEDIA > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > pada > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxury_vehicle: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars from "exotic brands" that > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > also exceed US$100,000, but would > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > not necessarily be categorized as > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury automobiles, such as the > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sports cars from Ferrari, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Lamborghini and Porsche, although > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Porsche Panamera does compete > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in the high-end luxury/full-size > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury category. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Dengan demikian bisa dikatakan > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Ferrari TIDAK termasuk kedalam > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > kelas mobil mewah, walau harganya > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sendiri relatif mahal. Saat dulu > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > berdiskusi dengan johny, kami > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sedang memperbincangkan > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > kenikmatan berkendaraan dengan > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > akselerasi tinggi, bukannya > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > memperbincangkan mobil mewah. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Baca lagi itu tulisan. Mengutip > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > kata-kata guru wanita SMA kami di > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Bandung dulu (kebetulan beliau > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > berdarah Ambon) yang mengajar > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > pelajaran bahasa Jerman: "Meneer, > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > itu mata apa baso, Meneer?" > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Gaploki kepala sendiri 10 kali > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > karena sudah membuang waku orang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > untuk menerangkan sesuatu yang > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > bisa dicari sendiri. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> been removed] > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > been removed] > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Post message: prole...@egroups.com Subscribe : proletar-subscr...@egroups.com Unsubscribe : proletar-unsubscr...@egroups.com List owner : proletar-ow...@egroups.com Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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