I'm running P99SE SP6 on an IBM NetVista 6648 with a Pentium III 866 with 128M of memory (yes I know I need more), and W2K PRO SP2, and Office 2K PRO SP2, Internet Explorer 5.5, all recently installed from Scratch.
I have a Logitech Mouse and Mouseware, and an external Parallel Port CD Rom R/W. The only other software on the machine is: Adobe Acrobat Reader 5, Real One Player, PowerDesk 4 Pro from Ontrack, and Norton Antivirus which came with the machine from IBM, and CAMtastic. In have had the machine for about 10 months, and never had any failure or problems of any kind with it. I recently aquired the External CD R/W, and after installing it, I completely reloaded everything from the IBM / Win2K Restoration Partition on the 20 Gig Hard Drive.. I had been working on a Protel Project which has 2 small libraries (40 parts in one and 6 in the other), 2 small PCB's which are both barely started, and a couple of OrcAD 7.20 Netlists, all in the same DDB, and all open. I open and close the Protel Database several times from the Desktop Shortcut, and after saving all files, close it with the big X, without closing individual files first. I have been working on the thing for over a week, open, close, up, down, etc., with no problems. Somehow I have gotten a little problem with my OrCAD 7.20 Netlist and one page of the schematic is getting corrupted, and generating a bogus Netlist, or maybe Protel is messing them up on the import. By the way, the OrCad is on another machine, and I import the netlist across the network. I had rebooted both machines, several times, and I had just generated a new netlist on the other machine, and the problem with the netlist is not the problem that I am concerned with here (although if anyone is an expert on OrCAD netlist problems I'll accept any suggestions about that). The netlist problem simply led up to the Protel Problem I will now describe. I go to the IBM, and launch Protel from the shortcut. It normally takes about 15 seconds to load all of the files. This time, however, rather than wait for Protel to load, I hit the "minimize" button while it still has its little Protel "Logo Box" in the center of the screen, and is starting to load files, and it dissappears into the taskbar, so I can launch PowerDesk (or Explorer, or something else) so that I can go directly to the other system and copy the netlist to the local drive before importing (to eliminate anything that may be be happening because of the "import" across the network). After double clicking the Powerdesk shortcut, while it is launching, I go back to the Taskbar and hit Protel to enlarge it again. The Protel "Ghost Screen", as I call it, appears on the screen, which consists of the Protel "title bar" (banner) across the top of the screen, with an empty gray "menu bar" (no text (File, Edit, etc)), and an empty gray bar at the bottom of the screen, but with no Protel in the middle of the screen - just a hole - sometimes you can see what was there before, and sometimes it is just gray background. I have become very familiar over the last year with this Protel "Ghost Screen", as it appears to be the Protel equivilent of what the "Blue Screen of Death" is to Microsoft. Anyway, on numerous occasions during the past year when Protel has gone south for the winter, it has left this "Ghost Screen" behind, and simply crashed out of Protel, but not crashed the system (other than trashing the graphics of the Desktop). The other common form of Protel crash that I am also very familiar with is the one where the system simply locks up, where occasionally, if you can do a CntlAltDel, you might be lucky enough to get to the Task Manager and recover, but most of the time you simply have to do a "hard reset" or "power down". Anyway, all that is a preface to this. This time, in the middle of the "Ghost Screen", something I have never seen before, the little Protel "Logo Box" in the center of thescreen. Protel has crashed, and is no longer running, and I have the "Ghost Screen" and Logo Box" on top of everything. Windows is still running, albeit with a trashed screen, but I can still launch other programs, or maxamize PowerDesk, etc., but just with the "Ghost Screen" behind it. Needless to say the graphics are trashed and at the very least unstable, so I decide to reboot the machine. Once I reboot, I try numerous times to replicate the problem, but only got it to go south and give up the "Ghost Screen", one other time, but the one thing that is consistant is that every single time I try to repeat the problem, I DO get a PERMANANT "Logo Box" in the middle of the screen in Protel! Thats right, a permanant "Logo Box", right on top of everything, and a "normal (?)" Protel session running underneath it. Protel seems to be running just fine, but the "Logo Box" is right on top in the center of everything, and will NOT go away unless and until you shut down Protel. You seem to be able to do any normal functions in Protel, just so long as you can get to the screen around the perimeter of the permanant "Logo Box". I eliminated diddling around with any other programs, and got the problem down to the simplest form where it is 100 percent consistant and repeatable on my system. I launch Protel from the Desktop shortcut (with or without having unclosed files from the previous session), and as soon as it fills the screen I hit the "minimize" ("-") button, which causes the Protel to "shrink" to the "Taskbar", and then I simply wait for it to finish loading. Then I hit Protel on the "Taskbar" to "maxamize" it again, and it reappears , but it now still has the "Logo Box" in the middle of the screen, with an otherwise apparently normal Protel rinning behind it. OK, so I understand that this a fluke caused by my messing around and "minimizing" and "maxamizing" Protel at the wrong time. Well, number one, it is abnormal, and number two, it is repeatable and consistant on my machine. It is bizzare behaviour that is directly asscociated with an occasional crash. It may be repeatable on other systems. I bring this up because the by virture of the fact that it is abnormal and also repeatable, it may be a possible key for understanding the other remaining causes of system crashes that are still happening in Protel 99 SE. This may just be something that will allow some of these problems to get tracked down and resolved. I guess I would also wonder if it is repeatable in DXP. I also bring this up because I believe that there are many people out there that either have not upgraded to DXP, or do not plan to upgrade to DXP. Protel 99 SE appears to have a pretty broad user base out there which appears to want to continue to use the "product" that they purchased, Protel 99 SE, and would appreciate it if Protel would fix the system crashes, especially since many of those users have complained about the crashes since they bought Protel 99 SE, already at SP5 or SP6, and some of which have not even had it a year yet, and yet they will not be getting a free upgrade to DXP, since they bought it (Protel 99 SE) just before October 1, 2001. I for one happen to have the full release version of DXP, sitting in a box right next to me, and it is going to remain sitting in it's box for quite some time, since I have no immediate plans to for it's installation. I think that it needs a little time to "mature" (like a good wine), maybe just a service pack or two, and I will need a little time to learn how to become proficient at it. But for now, I have work to do, and the only thing that I can rely on right now that is somewhat consistant and somewhat productive is Protel 99 SE. I would be interested in whether or not this can be repeated with any consistancy on other machines. I have a hunch that the slower the machine, the more chance of repeatability, and I would believe that it may not occur on a fast system, since I believe that you have to hit the "minimaze" button and "shrink" Protel into the "Taskbar" before the "Logo Box" dissappears. Anyway, if this repratable, then maybe we need to tag it with that nasty little "b" word and pass it on to Protel. (Speaking of that nasty little "b" word, it seems to be batted around quite freely, and also quite often, in the Official Altium Monitored DXP Forum . . .) Speaking of the Official Altium Monitored DXP Forum, have you ever seen so many "Managers" from any one single company in any one single place before? 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