Vincent: You want me to buy a lot of new stuff. I don't think it's my responsibility to single-handedly dig us out of the recession! ;-)
Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "vincent mail" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Bizzare and Repeatable > > > > > >OK, so how many more apps are we going to devote an entire machine to? If I > >did this, there would be no room in my office for me! I already have 4 PCs > >(Linux server, 486 hackbox, W2K CADzilla, W95 print server) on/under my > >desk, 2 printers, and the usual test equipment (LA, scope, PS, etc.)! And > >they are all used each day. The areas under and behind my desk look like > >the aftermath of an explosion at a wire factory! > > > point taken and for small companies this is a problem . if i look around > here we have dedicated computers for almost anything : > > Dedicated Sun Ultrasparcs to run Synopsys on , dedicated Ultrasparcs to > run digital layout > dedicated ultrasparcs to run analog layout , dedicated pc server to run > mathlab , dedicated fileservers , dedicated printservers , dedicated > machine to run simulations , dedicated CAD stations , and then > everyone's desktop PC runs all the other junk ( office , internet, > email, proect, etc ). > > And guess which machines i have most trouble with ? The desktop machine > that barf up all the time all over the place because of 500 things > running at the same time. The others very rarely get into trouble , and > if they do its a hardware problem ( disk , mouse keyboard monitor ) or a > true bug in the software and not something cause by another program > interfering.with another > > Since you are really cramped from what i can make out r : Here is my > optimisation : ( this is what i actually do in our cramped 2500 square > feet lab ) > > Dump the w95 print server and use a networkable printer or a printserver > box like made by netgear or use the linux box to serve the printers. > Cadzilla can run protel. > the hackpc remains the hackpc. ( everyone needs a pc with wires soldered > on the motherboard , believe me , i do this all the time in the lab. NO > joke ! ) > Use the linuxbox to surf the web. > Use a KVM switch ( there are KVM's thatr can be controlled from the > keyboard these days by hitting scroll lock twice followed by the number > of the port you want to connect ) and get yourself a nice 18 inch LCD an > a pendulum arm so you can move it out of the way when not needed. Get a > wireless mouse and keyboard ( no more cables ) > Get slim tower cases and bolt them on a bearing mounted tray underneath > the desk. They are out of the way and you can wheel them out when you > need access to them. > > For the testequipment:. HP makes a real neat USB connected logic > analyser. Or get one of their Infiniium MegaZoom machines. Tenma makes a > very compact 3 channel power supply , function generator , multimeter > and frequency counter in one box. You can stash all test equipment on a > 19 inch wide space on top of each other with the lcd 'floating' in front > of it. Need access to machines : push the lcd up, play with the > connections and then move the lcd back down. The PC's are hanging > underneath the table in the same spot. that leaves the rest of the desk > area wide open for whatever board you are working on. > > The only machnine still on the desktop is the 'hack-pc' > > This is of course an enormous investment and for small labs it might be > chaper to jst add another wing to it. > > > > > >I refuse to devote an entire machine to CAD only. If that's the way CAD > >software is designed, then to hell with it - that's poor design. > > > unfortunately that is the way 99 % of the software is designed ( not > only cad software) . very few software vendors test the behaviour of > their tool to when running togetehr with other programs. , and this is > an impossible task to begin with you would have to try all versions all > combination of any existing program. The problem is the Os's are leaky > and intermingle applications. > And that DOES include Unix and Linux > If we would be able to have virtual machines running that can not > intermingle then a lot of problems would disappear. > Again : It is sad to have to dedicate machines to one application , but > until everybody starts writing clean applications that is what we have > to do. > > >For what it's worth, Protel 99SE running on W2K works pretty well, no > >resource limitations like in W9X. Just don't switch the focus while 99SE is > >loading! And don't select a non-existent network printer! > > > yep . the non existent printer. And who's fault is that ? protel ? No ! > Windows ! . Windows should not report non existing printer to protel. > ive seen other programs report non existing printers.) , or have a > hndler that dumps the printout to the bit-bucket and tells you to try > again to an existing printer this time. > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > _____________ > /____________/ Vincent Himpe > // _____ ___/ Lab Manager > / \ \ / / / ST Microelectronics > /___\ \ / / / 5510 Six Forks Road . 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