I don't know if this is the same problem I've seen, but I suspect it is, just manifesting differently on my machine (CADzilla, dual PIII-1GHz, W2K SP2, 512MB RAM, Matrox G450, 99SE SP6)
During the loading of 99SE, if I switch the focus away from Protel, I get an error message something like 'exception: the memory at XXXX:XXXXXXXX could not be "read" '. The Protel session starts up, but everything I try to do with it causes another error message. 99SE rules of thumb: 1) When 99SE is loading, DO NOT switch the focus away from it 2) If you are thinking of switching the focus during loading, see rule #1 Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "JaMi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 4:20 AM Subject: [PEDA] Bizzare and Repeatable > I'm running P99SE SP6 on an IBM NetVista 6648 with a Pentium III 866 with > 128M of memory (yes I know I need more), and W2K PRO SP2, and Office 2K PRO > SP2, Internet Explorer 5.5, all recently installed from Scratch. > > I have a Logitech Mouse and Mouseware, and an external Parallel Port CD Rom > R/W. The only other software on the machine is: Adobe Acrobat Reader 5, Real > One Player, PowerDesk 4 Pro from Ontrack, and Norton Antivirus which came > with the machine from IBM, and CAMtastic. > > In have had the machine for about 10 months, and never had any failure or > problems of any kind with it. I recently aquired the External CD R/W, and > after installing it, I completely reloaded everything from the IBM / Win2K > Restoration Partition on the 20 Gig Hard Drive.. > > I had been working on a Protel Project which has 2 small libraries (40 parts > in one and 6 in the other), 2 small PCB's which are both barely started, and > a couple of OrcAD 7.20 Netlists, all in the same DDB, and all open. > > I open and close the Protel Database several times from the Desktop > Shortcut, and after saving all files, close it with the big X, without > closing individual files first. > > I have been working on the thing for over a week, open, close, up, down, > etc., with no problems. > > Somehow I have gotten a little problem with my OrCAD 7.20 Netlist and one > page of the schematic is getting corrupted, and generating a bogus Netlist, > or maybe Protel is messing them up on the import. > > By the way, the OrCad is on another machine, and I import the netlist across > the network. > > I had rebooted both machines, several times, and I had just generated a new > netlist on the other machine, and the problem with the netlist is not the > problem that I am concerned with here (although if anyone is an expert on > OrCAD netlist problems I'll accept any suggestions about that). The netlist > problem simply led up to the Protel Problem I will now describe. > > I go to the IBM, and launch Protel from the shortcut. It normally takes > about 15 seconds to load all of the files. > > This time, however, rather than wait for Protel to load, I hit the > "minimize" button while it still has its little Protel "Logo Box" in the > center of the screen, and is starting to load files, and it dissappears into > the taskbar, so I can launch PowerDesk (or Explorer, or something else) so > that I can go directly to the other system and copy the netlist to the local > drive before importing (to eliminate anything that may be be happening > because of the "import" across the network). > > After double clicking the Powerdesk shortcut, while it is launching, I go > back to the Taskbar and hit Protel to enlarge it again. > > The Protel "Ghost Screen", as I call it, appears on the screen, which > consists of the Protel "title bar" (banner) across the top of the screen, > with an empty gray "menu bar" (no text (File, Edit, etc)), and an empty gray > bar at the bottom of the screen, but with no Protel in the middle of the > screen - just a hole - sometimes you can see what was there before, and > sometimes it is just gray background. > > I have become very familiar over the last year with this Protel "Ghost > Screen", as it appears to be the Protel equivilent of what the "Blue Screen > of Death" is to Microsoft. > > Anyway, on numerous occasions during the past year when Protel has gone > south for the winter, it has left this "Ghost Screen" behind, and simply > crashed out of Protel, but not crashed the system (other than trashing the > graphics of the Desktop). The other common form of Protel crash that I am > also very familiar with is the one where the system simply locks up, where > occasionally, if you can do a CntlAltDel, you might be lucky enough to get > to the Task Manager and recover, but most of the time you simply have to do > a "hard reset" or "power down". > > Anyway, all that is a preface to this. > > This time, in the middle of the "Ghost Screen", something I have never seen > before, the little Protel "Logo Box" in the center of thescreen. > > Protel has crashed, and is no longer running, and I have the "Ghost Screen" > and Logo Box" on top of everything. > > Windows is still running, albeit with a trashed screen, but I can still > launch other programs, or maxamize PowerDesk, etc., but just with the "Ghost > Screen" behind it. > > Needless to say the graphics are trashed and at the very least unstable, so > I decide to reboot the machine. > > Once I reboot, I try numerous times to replicate the problem, but only got > it to go south and give up the "Ghost Screen", one other time, but the one > thing that is consistant is that every single time I try to repeat the > problem, I DO get a PERMANANT "Logo Box" in the middle of the screen in > Protel! > > Thats right, a permanant "Logo Box", right on top of everything, and a > "normal (?)" Protel session running underneath it. > > Protel seems to be running just fine, but the "Logo Box" is right on top in > the center of everything, and will NOT go away unless and until you shut > down Protel. > > You seem to be able to do any normal functions in Protel, just so long as > you can get to the screen around the perimeter of the permanant "Logo Box". > > I eliminated diddling around with any other programs, and got the problem > down to the simplest form where it is 100 percent consistant and repeatable > on my system. > > I launch Protel from the Desktop shortcut (with or without having unclosed > files from the previous session), and as soon as it fills the screen I hit > the "minimize" ("-") button, which causes the Protel to "shrink" to the > "Taskbar", and then I simply wait for it to finish loading. Then I hit > Protel on the "Taskbar" to "maxamize" it again, and it reappears , but it > now still has the "Logo Box" in the middle of the screen, with an otherwise > apparently normal Protel rinning behind it. > > OK, so I understand that this a fluke caused by my messing around and > "minimizing" and "maxamizing" Protel at the wrong time. > > Well, number one, it is abnormal, and number two, it is repeatable and > consistant on my machine. > > It is bizzare behaviour that is directly asscociated with an occasional > crash. > > It may be repeatable on other systems. > > I bring this up because the by virture of the fact that it is abnormal and > also repeatable, it may be a possible key for understanding the other > remaining causes of system crashes that are still happening in Protel 99 SE. > This may just be something that will allow some of these problems to get > tracked down and resolved. > > I guess I would also wonder if it is repeatable in DXP. > > I also bring this up because I believe that there are many people out there > that either have not upgraded to DXP, or do not plan to upgrade to DXP. > > Protel 99 SE appears to have a pretty broad user base out there which > appears to want to continue to use the "product" that they purchased, Protel > 99 SE, and would appreciate it if Protel would fix the system crashes, > especially since many of those users have complained about the crashes since > they bought Protel 99 SE, already at SP5 or SP6, and some of which have not > even had it a year yet, and yet they will not be getting a free upgrade to > DXP, since they bought it (Protel 99 SE) just before October 1, 2001. > > I for one happen to have the full release version of DXP, sitting in a box > right next to me, and it is going to remain sitting in it's box for quite > some time, since I have no immediate plans to for it's installation. > > I think that it needs a little time to "mature" (like a good wine), maybe > just a service pack or two, and I will need a little time to learn how to > become proficient at it. > > But for now, I have work to do, and the only thing that I can rely on right > now that is somewhat consistant and somewhat productive is Protel 99 SE. > > I would be interested in whether or not this can be repeated with any > consistancy on other machines. > > I have a hunch that the slower the machine, the more chance of > repeatability, and I would believe that it may not occur on a fast system, > since I believe that you have to hit the "minimaze" button and "shrink" > Protel into the "Taskbar" before the "Logo Box" dissappears. > > Anyway, if this repratable, then maybe we need to tag it with that nasty > little "b" word and pass it on to Protel. > > (Speaking of that nasty little "b" word, it seems to be batted around quite > freely, and also quite often, in the Official Altium Monitored DXP Forum . . > .) > > Speaking of the Official Altium Monitored DXP Forum, have you ever seen so > many "Managers" from any one single company in any one single place before? > > JaMi Smith ************************************************************************ * Tracking #: 32EE9E2EF1E75F45A9BB7BAB01DA870DAB8450CC * ************************************************************************ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *