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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Yuma Antoine Decaux 
  To: Pro Tools Accessibility 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:40 PM
  Subject: Re: Apple's initial response


  Hey Scott,


  I think you guys should try to pinpoint the issue ui elements with the 
accessibility inspector that's bundled with x-code. At least you can see what 
part of the interface has problems, and it even tells you whether the 
axaccessibility api has been properly coded.




  Cheers 


  Yuma 










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  On 14/11/2012, at 8:41 AM, Scott Chesworth <scottcheswo...@gmail.com> wrote:


    Hey Yuma,

    The issue we're trying to draw their attention to is that in the edit
    window of Pro Tools, counter values (that speak start time, the range
    you have selected etc) have suddenly started just saying "numeric
    text" instead of speaking dynamic information like "beat 3, 480 ticks
    etc". It's also not possible anymore to tell which edit tool you
    currently have selected with VO, or which edit mode you're in. These
    things all worked a treat in Snow Leopard and Lion, but have kicked
    the bucket in ML for some reason even though Avid haven't changed
    anything at their end. So far, I haven't seen the same behaviour in
    any other app, so can't imagine what's causing the issue.

    Nektarios, no, they definitely don't. However, I've lost many many,
    hours of my life and a big chunk of sanity arguing that point.
    Currently I have nothing to show for it (other than a sore head from
    all that repetition and cyber wall banging). Things should be
    different, but they're not. That's not down to a lack of effort on our
    part.

    I'll reply to the email anyway, keep calm and carry on as the saying goes.

    Scott

    On 11/13/12, Yuma Antoine Decaux <jamy...@gmail.com> wrote:

      Hi, could you tell me what the issue with voice over is? I have access to
      the apple bug reporting system. If i can emulate something similar within
      one of the standard apps as well, i may be able to have a direct line with
      the engineers.

      Let me know

      Cheers

      Yuma






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      On 14/11/2012, at 6:36 AM, Slau Halatyn <slauhala...@gmail.com> wrote:


        Apple's initial response to me was as follows:
        Thank you for your email. Apple relies on each application developer to
        properly implement the necessary components into their applications that
        allow VoiceOver to work correctly. Unfortunately AVID has not provided 
an
        update for ProTools that would allow their software to work correctly 
with
        VoiceOver in OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion. We recommend that you contact AVID
        directly to provide them feedback on the features you are finding do not
        work.

        Apple Accessibility

        I responded and copied a couple of people at Apple who initially 
suggested
        contacting the accessibility team. I essentially reiterated the fact 
that
        Avid did, indeed, do the necessary work and that, since the problem does
        not exist in Snow Leopard and Lion, it's a problem with VoiceOver and
        Mountain Lion. I encourage anyone who gets the same canned response to
        come back with further support of the argument.

        Slau






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