So, Poppa, what's your advise? This may sound silly, and probably is, but i 
don't really know how good my mixing skills are. I've hitherto done music on a 
not so professional level, like i'm not having a studio that i can make money 
from, this is just my hobby, do you follow me?
/Krister

31 jan 2014 kl. 22:34 skrev Poppa Bear <heavens4r...@gmail.com>:

> Also, remember this, if you don't have good mixing skills, these Mastering 
> plugins will often only magnify any lack of mixing skills, or even worse, 
> mask the problems leading a person to think they did a good job. At that 
> point the Mastering plugs can become a crutch that cause people to think they 
> have a good sounding project until it is matched up against good mixes and 
> mastering skills. I find people who have the same plugins as me, and bring 
> their stuff over to the studio to play it and once I play a few projects they 
> can't believe that we have the same tools. They just haven't paid their dues, 
> in the excitement to find the magic bullet to fix their mixing problems they 
> have looked for band aids to cover up their ear sores instead of really 
> learning the anatomy of a good mix. I am finding that my understanding of 
> mixing is growing much more as I get back to the basics of 
> engineering/mixing. I realize how silly I was when I got my first bundle of 
> mastering plugins. Getting into the basics of compression, multiband 
> compression, Limiting, EQ frequencies, how those frequencies affect 
> instruments, vocals, mic proximity affect, room acoustics and so on and on 
> will be so impacting that a person won't even need to ask about mastering 
> plugins because once they read about that plug they will be able to tell if 
> it is exactly what they need or not.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chris Smart" <csma...@cogeco.ca>
> 
> To: <ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
> 
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 6:16 AM
> 
> Subject: Re: Any good mastering plugin out there?
> 
> 
> 
>> As someone who does mastering, I am dead set against using presets in that 
>> manner.  There is far too much of that homogeneity now.  It reminds me of 
>> the equalizer presets on my mp3 player. One is called rock, another is 
>> called classical, another is called jazz.  Wow, you mean if I pick one, it 
>> will make everything sound poppy or rocky or jazzy? That's so cool! (sarcasm)
>> 
>> That said, just about any limiter, compressor, equalizer etc. will have 
>> presets for various tasks, and of course you can use said presets as a 
>> starting point. Learn from them, but all source material is unique.
>> 
>> Read the Bob Katz book (2nd Edition), and do lots and lots of listening to 
>> world-class recordings. Mastering is much more subtle than mixing, and 
>> requires a holistic mindset.  As long as you have a nice transparent 
>> compressor, a linear-phaze equalizer, and some mid/side tools, you can do a 
>> heck of a lot.  The tools aren't as important as your ears, your listening 
>> space, and your experience.
>> 
>> The idea of taking a full mastering suite like Ozone or Fab Filter Pro and 
>> picking the rock preset for your rock mix, thinking it will somehow be 
>> "better", is anathema to what I do.  Talk about kill a butterfly with a 
>> sledge hammer! I apologize if that is not your intent at all. I'm seeing a 
>> lot of that cookie cutter homogeneity these days, along with four steps to 
>> mastering at home type articles.
>> 
>> Ok, rant over. LOL I really need to have that first coffee of the day!
>> 
>> I'm a Windows guy, but check out Slate Digital FG-X for an extremely 
>> transparent compressor and a really nice limiter. Also check out their 
>> Virtual Bus Compressors for really colored analog-sounding options. Their 
>> tape simulator VTM is wonderful, in case you want things to sound like 
>> they've gone through a 1/2" deck at 15 IPS.
>> 
>> There are lots of m/s and phase adjustment plugs out there, many of them 
>> free. When I don't like the limiter section of FGX, I usually reach for 
>> Voxengo's Elephant.  It has several algorithms to chose from, and you will 
>> want to try them all to find out what gets you the results you are after for 
>> the mix you are working with.
>> 
>> I haven't used it, but the mastering guys rave about Algorithmix Red and 
>> Orange as a pair of excelent linear-phaze equalizers, but just about any 
>> linear-phaze EQ will do the job, as long as your ears can home in like a 
>> lazer on the part of the spectrum that needs tweaking.  Waves make one, 
>> Ozone comes with one, Fab Filter make one, etc.
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> P.S. For those of you wanting extremely transparent EQ with seemingly no 
>> ringing, keep an eye out for Eiosis Air EQ. It is almost out of beta testing 
>> and it's magic! We're so used to the effects of typical EQ that for a 
>> minute, you think the plug-in must not be doing it's job, because it isn't 
>> as obvious.
>> 
>> At 06:55 AM 1/31/2014, you wrote:
>>> Hi there.
>>> I don't know if this even exists in the world of recording to a computer, 
>>> but on the digital porta studios i've seen, there were mastering tools you 
>>> could use with various presets for different genres, are there such 
>>> mastering plugins out there that don't cost an arm, a leg and half the body 
>>> to get?
>>> /Krister
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