There are lots of books, websites, tutorials, videos, courses etc.
etc. on all of this stuff. Try google, a book or two on mixing, etc.
Most of all, just load some audio and experiment! Adjust parameters
and notice how the sound changes.
At 05:39 AM 2/2/2014, you wrote:
Hi,
Hmm, i'm not so good at compression and multi-band compression i'm
afraid. I'm not really certain what does what there. I know what the
attack and release parameters do but the other ones are a bit
confusing to me. I feel like a hopeless case, very silly.
/Krister
2 feb 2014 kl. 01:09 skrev Poppa Bear <heavens4r...@gmail.com>:
> Do you have a good handle on compression and multiband
compression? These are must know building blocks for mixing and
mastering. Understanding frequency responses and how they open up
not only individual tracks and instruments, but intire mixes when
on a stareo bus are just as important to understand too. You see,
when your mixing a project you are baking a cake with the right
amounts of ingreadients, at the right temperture and Mastering is
the frosting and the decarations on top. Each part has a seprat
process, but they eventually need to complament each other as a
whole. So in this case, if a person tries to get the mastering
down, without the mixing concepts it is like trying to throw a
beautiful topping/icing on acake that taist like crap.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krister Ekstrom"
<kris...@kristersplace.com>
> To: <ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 9:27 AM
> Subject: Re: Any good mastering plugin out there?
>
>
> Thanks, i think that's good advise actually. I probably will have
to learn what plugs do what and what i can use.
> /Krister
>
> 1 feb 2014 kl. 01:10 skrev TheOreoMonster <monkeypushe...@gmail.com>:
>
>> At this stage in the game i honestly don't think you should be
looking at any plug ins outside of what pro tools comes with. All
the pro tools plug ins has presets for most instrument types with a
few final mix/master presets as well. Presets are a great starting
point, but learn why they work and how they do what they do. and
how to fine tune to your song. The stock plug ins are great and
there are even popular songs that were done entirely with pro tools
stock plug ins. Once you have a handle on those and have a better
idea of what you want, then you can start spending money on plug
ins with more confidence. First step get the best sounds you can
before recording. Choosing the right virtual synth/drum synth
sounds, or moving the one microphone you have around till you get
the instrument or voice you are trying to record sound the best it
can before hitting record. Also the firs t Plug in to hone in on
and learn about is Eq. It will be probably your most used tool for
both mixing and mastering. you can also grab the quizztones iOS app
to do some EQ ear training. Next important beast to tackle is
compression. Come to grips with EQ and compression along with
getting the best sources of recordings you can and you can get 80%
to 90% of the way there before you add anything else to your mix or master.
>> On Jan 31, 2014, at 4:34 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Also, remember this, if you don't have good mixing skills,
these Mastering plugins will often only magnify any lack of mixing
skills, or even worse, mask the problems leading a person to think
they did a good job. At that point the Mastering plugs can become a
crutch that cause people to think they have a good sounding project
until it is matched up against good mixes and mastering skills. I
find people who have the same plugins as me, and bring their stuff
over to the studio to play it and once I play a few projects they
can't believe that we have the same tools. They just haven't paid
their dues, in the excitement to find the magic bullet to fix their
mixing problems they have looked for band aids to cover up their
ear sores instead of really learning the anatomy of a good mix. I
am finding that my understanding of mixing is growing much more as
I get back to the basics of engineering/mixing. I realize how silly
I was when I got my first bundle of mastering plugins. Getting into
the basics of compression, multiband compression, Limiting, EQ
frequencies, how those frequencies affect instruments, vocals, mic
proximity affect, room acoustics and so on and on will be so
impacting that a person won't even need to ask about mastering
plugins because once they read about that plug they will be able to
tell if it is exactly what they need or not.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Smart" <csma...@cogeco.ca>
>>>
>>> To: <ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
>>>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 6:16 AM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: Any good mastering plugin out there?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> As someone who does mastering, I am dead set against using
presets in that manner. There is far too much of that homogeneity
now. It reminds me of the equalizer presets on my mp3 player. One
is called rock, another is called classical, another is called
jazz. Wow, you mean if I pick one, it will make everything sound
poppy or rocky or jazzy? That's so cool! (sarcasm)
>>>>
>>>> That said, just about any limiter, compressor, equalizer etc.
will have presets for various tasks, and of course you can use said
presets as a starting point. Learn from them, but all source
material is unique.
>>>>
>>>> Read the Bob Katz book (2nd Edition), and do lots and lots of
listening to world-class recordings. Mastering is much more subtle
than mixing, and requires a holistic mindset. As long as you have
a nice transparent compressor, a linear-phaze equalizer, and some
mid/side tools, you can do a heck of a lot. The tools aren't as
important as your ears, your listening space, and your experience.
>>>>
>>>> The idea of taking a full mastering suite like Ozone or Fab
Filter Pro and picking the rock preset for your rock mix, thinking
it will somehow be "better", is anathema to what I do. Talk about
kill a butterfly with a sledge hammer! I apologize if that is not
your intent at all. I'm seeing a lot of that cookie cutter
homogeneity these days, along with four steps to mastering at home
type articles.
>>>>
>>>> Ok, rant over. LOL I really need to have that first coffee of the day!
>>>>
>>>> I'm a Windows guy, but check out Slate Digital FG-X for an
extremely transparent compressor and a really nice limiter. Also
check out their Virtual Bus Compressors for really colored
analog-sounding options. Their tape simulator VTM is wonderful, in
case you want things to sound like they've gone through a 1/2" deck at 15 IPS.
>>>>
>>>> There are lots of m/s and phase adjustment plugs out there,
many of them free. When I don't like the limiter section of FGX, I
usually reach for Voxengo's Elephant. It has several algorithms to
chose from, and you will want to try them all to find out what gets
you the results you are after for the mix you are working with.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't used it, but the mastering guys rave about
Algorithmix Red and Orange as a pair of excelent linear-phaze
equalizers, but just about any linear-phaze EQ will do the job, as
long as your ears can home in like a lazer on the part of the
spectrum that needs tweaking. Waves make one, Ozone comes with
one, Fab Filter make one, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> P.S. For those of you wanting extremely transparent EQ with
seemingly no ringing, keep an eye out for Eiosis Air EQ. It is
almost out of beta testing and it's magic! We're so used to the
effects of typical EQ that for a minute, you think the plug-in must
not be doing it's job, because it isn't as obvious.
>>>>
>>>> At 06:55 AM 1/31/2014, you wrote:
>>>>> Hi there.
>>>>> I don't know if this even exists in the world of recording to
a computer, but on the digital porta studios i've seen, there were
mastering tools you could use with various presets for different
genres, are there such mastering plugins out there that don't cost
an arm, a leg and half the body to get?
>>>>> /Krister
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