Hi, Slau. Is fact: protools is advancing to a fully accessible soft. but in
my opinion, with the time line not accessible, We're lossing at least 50% of
this powerful tool. Yes, there are lots of sortcuts that made this tings in
a diferent way. but has the hability to drag and dropp, would be a big jump.
I hope in pt12 we've good news on this.
best, Juan.
-----Original Message-----
From: Slau Halatyn
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 1:27 PM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: discovery about nudge value
Folks,
One of the features for which I've been campaigning on the accessibility
with on the Pro Tools front has been the nudge value field. In earlier
versions of Pro Tools, it was not specifically accessible but one could at
least press the button, type a value, press Return and at least the custom
field was entered and one could go about their business with the new nudge
value. Now, if you don't know why a custom nudge value is important, never
mind for now and trust me when I say that it'll save your ass at some point,
guaranteed.
well, in Pro Tools 11, the interface changed a bit and now at least we could
see the Nudge Controls button which popped up the format selection and
default values. Thing is, now we couldn't enter the custom value. I
submitted a bug report and nothing seemed to change because other items like
the MIDI Event List took precedence, understandably.
Well, only yesterday, I stumbled upon what I can only call a discovery, for
lack of a better word because it was truly hidden. Unfortunately, a bit of a
misnomer was incorporated when one of the programmers worked on the nudge
and grid controls. In the edit window, there is a Grid/Nudge cluster. That
naming convention was inherited from the initial work of PT accessibility in
version 8. When interacting, you find 3 items labeled "Show Grid Lines"
(which is either selected or not), "Grid Controls button" and "Nudge
Controls button" Clicking on the first button toggles its state of either
showing or not showing grid lines in the timeline. Clicking either of the
two remaining buttons pops up a list of formats and default values as
mentioned earlier.
Yesterday, as I was making a macro to double-click on the nudge value field
to at least be able to once again enter custom nudge values, I needed to
quickly navigate to the Nudge Control button and so I brought up the Item
Chooser list and typed n u d g e. Surprisingly, the list contained several
items rather than just the one I was expecting. It contained a text field
labeled "Nudge" and a numeric field labeled "Nudge value." I had never seen
this before and was stunned. To my astonishment, having selected the nudge
value field, I purposely stopped interacting with the control to see where
it was nested. To my surprise, it was nested in the "Nudge Controls button."
Well, of course, a VoiceOver user would never think to interact with a
button because that's not the function of a button. In fact, upon retrying
with another session, simply navigating to the Nudge Controls button and
interacting with it simply interacts with the title of the button itself
rather than its alleged contents. Bringing up the Item Chooser, however,
indeed exposes the hidden controls. Further, once accessed, interacting and
exiting interaction with the button seems to traverse the levels repeatedly.
Bottom line is, if you need to type a custom nudge value, and I promise you,
you will at some point, use the Item Chooser to get to the Nudge Value
numeric field, click once and type the custom value, hit Return and be on
your way.
This is an issue of nomenclature mostly but also the non-standard manner in
which a control was defined. It's really not a button but a group of
controls or a cluster, if you will. So, it's confusing until you know what
it truly is. I'm explaining this so that, when others ask, more people on
the list know about this quirk. That said, I'm relieved that the issue of
access to the nudge value was addressed, albeit in a non-standard way,
because it's truly one of the quality-of-life issues that kept me from
moving to Pro Tools 11 full time. For me, this was a big one. There are a
few others that are being addressed in beta that will be resolved soon, I'm
sure.
Anyway, just sharing the info.
Slau
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