Slau, sorry for my lack of knoledge. But what's the way to drag and drop
from the clip list? When I talked about drag and drop, I'm reffering to your
second part of your message.
Best, Juan.
-----Original Message-----
From: Slau Halatyn
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 3:19 PM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: discovery about nudge value
Hi Juan,
I'm sorry but I don't agree with you. Drag and drop is just something a
blind person cannot do. How would you propose this would work? Cut, copy and
paste is perfectly fine in addition to nudging and spotting. What can't you
do in the timeline with drag and drop that you can't do with the commands I
mentioned? Now, if you're talking about dragging from the Clips list into a
timeline, then yes, there needs to be a more elegant solution th an what we
currently have. I can see that possibly being implemented in the future but
that's a matter of introducing a new way, or at least an alternative way, of
performing specific actions. This would take more resources and more
supporting arguments.
Slau
On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Juan Pablo <jpcula...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, Slau. Is fact: protools is advancing to a fully accessible soft. but
in my opinion, with the time line not accessible, We're lossing at least
50% of this powerful tool. Yes, there are lots of sortcuts that made this
tings in a diferent way. but has the hability to drag and dropp, would be
a big jump. I hope in pt12 we've good news on this.
best, Juan.
-----Original Message----- From: Slau Halatyn
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 1:27 PM
To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com
Subject: discovery about nudge value
Folks,
One of the features for which I've been campaigning on the accessibility
with on the Pro Tools front has been the nudge value field. In earlier
versions of Pro Tools, it was not specifically accessible but one could at
least press the button, type a value, press Return and at least the custom
field was entered and one could go about their business with the new nudge
value. Now, if you don't know why a custom nudge value is important, never
mind for now and trust me when I say that it'll save your ass at some
point, guaranteed.
well, in Pro Tools 11, the interface changed a bit and now at least we
could see the Nudge Controls button which popped up the format selection
and default values. Thing is, now we couldn't enter the custom value. I
submitted a bug report and nothing seemed to change because other items
like the MIDI Event List took precedence, understandably.
Well, only yesterday, I stumbled upon what I can only call a discovery,
for lack of a better word because it was truly hidden. Unfortunately, a
bit of a misnomer was incorporated when one of the programmers worked on
the nudge and grid controls. In the edit window, there is a Grid/Nudge
cluster. That naming convention was inherited from the initial work of PT
accessibility in version 8. When interacting, you find 3 items labeled
"Show Grid Lines" (which is either selected or not), "Grid Controls
button" and "Nudge Controls button" Clicking on the first button toggles
its state of either showing or not showing grid lines in the timeline.
Clicking either of the two remaining buttons pops up a list of formats and
default values as mentioned earlier.
Yesterday, as I was making a macro to double-click on the nudge value
field to at least be able to once again enter custom nudge values, I
needed to quickly navigate to the Nudge Control button and so I brought up
the Item Chooser list and typed n u d g e. Surprisingly, the list
contained several items rather than just the one I was expecting. It
contained a text field labeled "Nudge" and a numeric field labeled "Nudge
value." I had never seen this before and was stunned. To my astonishment,
having selected the nudge value field, I purposely stopped interacting
with the control to see where it was nested. To my surprise, it was nested
in the "Nudge Controls button." Well, of course, a VoiceOver user would
never think to interact with a button because that's not the function of a
button. In fact, upon retrying with another session, simply navigating to
the Nudge Controls button and interacting with it simply interacts with
the title of the button itself rather than its alleged contents. Bringing
up the Item Chooser, however, indeed exposes the hidden controls. Further,
once accessed, interacting and exiting interaction with the button seems
to traverse the levels repeatedly.
Bottom line is, if you need to type a custom nudge value, and I promise
you, you will at some point, use the Item Chooser to get to the Nudge
Value numeric field, click once and type the custom value, hit Return and
be on your way.
This is an issue of nomenclature mostly but also the non-standard manner
in which a control was defined. It's really not a button but a group of
controls or a cluster, if you will. So, it's confusing until you know what
it truly is. I'm explaining this so that, when others ask, more people on
the list know about this quirk. That said, I'm relieved that the issue of
access to the nudge value was addressed, albeit in a non-standard way,
because it's truly one of the quality-of-life issues that kept me from
moving to Pro Tools 11 full time. For me, this was a big one. There are a
few others that are being addressed in beta that will be resolved soon,
I'm sure.
Anyway, just sharing the info.
Slau
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