Thank you so so much Slau, that is gold.
I mentioned a while back that I'm starting a new job where they are
using PT 10 and you asked what the job was. It's a placement with BBC
Radio Drama where I'll be doing editing and mixing tasks, and I've been
giving myself a crash PT course with help from the tutorials. It starts
later this week and because it's so new I didn't want to say too much
about it, but I'll probably have other questions and keep you posted as
it should be interesting to see what's viable in that setting.
I could also say that your fantastic PT advocacy work has helped make
this even possible, which is a dream come true for me, so more respect.
With many thanks again and all best wishes,
Peter
On 24/03/2016 15:34, Slau Halatyn wrote:
Hi Peter,
Hopefully, I can explain this concisely, although it can get complicated. Some
of what I say might seem out of order so feel free to read it a few times if it
doesn't make sense the first time.
First, the plus and minus keys on the num pad, when pressed by them selves when
there is no selection, will simply move the insertion point forward or backward
by the nudge amount. If a region is selected, the plus or minus keys will move
that region forward or backward by the nudge amount. If there is a selection
that begins before a region start and continues past the region end and beyond
it by some amount, pressing the plus or minus keys will move only the region
within the selection forward or backward by the nudge amount. If there's a
selection that does not contain an entire region within its boundaries but is
instead a range within a larger region, pressing plus or minus will move the
selection range forward or backward by the nudge amount. It's important to
understand that the selection range is being moved in this case and not the
underlying region itself. Possibly a helpful way of thinking of it is that both
the front and end boundaries of a region must be within the selection range in
order to be affected by the nudge commands.
To extend the beginning of a selected region to the left (or earlier in the
timeline), use Option-minus. To adjust it forward (or later in the timeline),
use Option-plus. The same adjustment can be made to the end of the region by
using the Command modifier with either the plus or minus keys. So, to extend
the region end to the right (or later in the timeline), use Command-plus. So,
all of the commands I just mentioned in this paragraph have to do with selected
regions in their entirety.
Now, to adjust the beginning or end of a selection, you would add the Shift
modifier to the equation. So, to extend the end of a selection range, use
Shift-Command-plus. To shorten the end of the selection range, use
Shift-Command-minus. To alter the beginning of the selection, use Shift-Option
and the appropriate plus or minus keys on the num pad.
The audition keystrokes work the same whether you have an entire region
selected or a range selected. To me, the logic of how these work is somewhat
non-intuitive. You'll notice that thus far anything having to do with the
region or selection start has used the Option modifier and anything pertaining
to the region end or selection end has used the Command modifier. In the
audition process, you sort of have to flip the concept to an extent. You need
to simply think of Option as being the left part of the boundary and Command as
being the right side of the boundary and left arrow as being the left part of
the selection or region and right arrow as being the right side of the
selection or region. So, to audition the audio before the selection by the
pre-roll amount, press Option-left arrow, left arrow being the left boundary
and Option being the left side of that boundary. To audition the beginning of
the region or selection by the post roll amount, press Command-left arrow, left
arrow being the left boundary and Command being the right side of that left
boundary. To do all of that with the end of the region or selection, use the
right arrow, representing the right boundary and use Option for what leads to
the right boundary or Command for what follows the right boundary.
Man, everything I've typed above sounds so complicated and tedious but, I
assure you, if you try it, you'll get the hang of it. I always, always forget
the combination of what to use for auditioning the left or right boundary and
the left and right arrow keys. I simply have not found a reliable way to
memorize the combination. as I said, it's not exactly intuitive. Yes, there is
definitely an internal logic to it and that's clear but, to me, it almost makes
more sense for Option to represent the left boundary and Command to represent
the right boundary and left arrow to play what precedes the left boundary and
right arrow to play what follows the left boundary when combined with the
Option modifier. It's more consistent with the other shortcuts. Anyway, the
point is that I always forget the shortcuts but, when you have a selection, it
takes literally two seconds to try a couple of combinations of shortcuts and it
all comes back to you while you're doing it. Good luck trying to remember the
exact shortcuts when you're away from the computer. Sure, you'll remember it
for a day but give it a little time and you'll likely forget.
Hope that all helps,
Slau
boundary.
On Mar 24, 2016, at 10:49 AM, Peter Bosher <peter.bos...@btconnect.com> wrote:
Hi Slau, many thanks. That worked and I'm nearly there with the whole process
but one thing is still puzzling me, so one more, hopefully last question please:
Once the pre and post-roll values are set, I can audition just the pre-roll
with option-left-arrow. This means I can set the in-point precisely. So far
so good, but when I try to adjust the out-point with plus and minus, the whole
selection moves rather than just the out-point as I want. I can audition the
out-point with command-right-arrow, but I can't seem to set the out-point
independently of the in-point. I could work around this with markers and
regions but I imagine I'm just missing something basic in the process. I'm
migrating from SoundForge where it was possible to switch between hearing from
the cursor, or from the start of the selection, so you could easily audition
the end of the selection before marking the out-point.
It's pretty hard putting this into words so I hope you get my drift, and I
really do appreciate your help.
Best,
Peter
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On 22/03/2016 16:34, Slau Halatyn wrote:
Hi Peter,
To set the pre or post roll value, go to the Transport window and find the pre
or post roll value and use Control-Option-space to click. Then enter the new
value and press Enter. You must type the value on the numeric keypad and
starting with the first number. In other words, if you want to enter two
seconds, you must type a zero, then the decimal, then zero two. Unless you want
smaller increments after the seconds, you can press Enter after having typed in
the zero two. If you're entering bars and beats, you'd type the bar number
first and then hit Enter. If you want a bar plus two beats as a pre-roll, you'd
enter one, press the decimal to get to the next field then type two and then
hit Enter. Remember that the decimal advances you to the next value field. Once
you hit Enter, the value takes effect. To retype a value, click once more and
enter the full value again, using decimal to advance to the subsequent fields
if necessary.
Once you have both pre and post roll values entered, the shortcuts I mentioned
earlier will work. Make sure you're in the Edit window while auditioning.
HTH,
Slau
On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:05 PM, Peter Bosher <peter.bos...@btconnect.com> wrote:
Many thanks Slau, that's already helped a great deal for auditioning the
post-roll, but I've searched the menus for how to set the value of the
pre/post-roll and not found it. At the moment, command-left, option-left and
command-option-left all do the same thing. Is there a keystroke which will
definitely play just the pre-roll portion, stopping at the point where the
selection starts?
Best,
Peter
On 22/03/2016 11:31, Slau Halatyn wrote:
Hi Peter,
If you have values other than zero set for the pre and post roll, you can
audition the ranges with keyboard shortcuts. Option-Command-left arrow will
play the beginning of the selection including a pre-roll and
Option-Command-right arrow will play the end of the selection along with a post
roll. It's possible to play the pre and post roll individually using
combinations of Option or Command and either the left or right arrows.
Experiment by making a selection and using various combinations of Option-left
or right arrows and Command-left or right arrows. You'll see how it works.
HTH,
Slau
On Mar 22, 2016, at 6:20 AM, Peter Bosher <peter.bos...@btconnect.com> wrote:
Hi All,
When making fine adjustments to a selection, I need to hear not only the
selection itself, but also the second or two beforehand, stopping at the
in-point. This is what I mean by pre-roll, and in SoundForge for example, you
can do this with CTRL-shift-K. In PT, I see that I can enable pre/post-roll
with command-K, but how do I actually audition the pre-roll and the post-roll?
Best,
Peter
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