No, because sometimes making the changes causes the error. For instance, if you are using a File resource to create a file in a read-only file-system (which isn't possible) the resource will tell you it plans to make a file when run in noop, and give you no errors. When not run in noop it will actually try to make the change and give an error because making the change didn't work.
Note: This is an untested example. I haven't actually tried it, but the general point works. On Jan 23, 2011, at 6:16 PM, James Louis wrote: > so the purpose of having a noop is to run the same test but to not actually > make any changes. do we get the same debug messages, etc? > > On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 7:58 PM, eshamow <eric.sha...@gmail.com> wrote: > I can tell you that for me, and for my group, it's a halfway step > between reloading Puppet and watching the logs, and a full --debug -- > no-daemonize run. > > So for instance, when they're troubleshooting a bug in a newly-written > or modified class, I suggest a puppetd -tv run to just output the > errors and successes...and if you see an error, you could then follow > up with the more verbose --debug to get at what Puppet was trying to > do that generated it, provided that you didn't get enough from the > former. > > It might be wise to consider combining a bunch of similar options > (verbose, test, debug, etc) into a "verbose" with levels of output -- > either v1, v2, v3 or vv, vvv, vvvv, etc. > > -Eric > > > On Jan 23, 8:51 pm, Nigel Kersten <ni...@puppetlabs.com> wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 5:34 PM, James Louis <jgloui...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > so the actual changes take place, if any, during a test vs a noop which > > > does > > > not let the actual changes take place. So this would be used primarily for > > > configuration testing? Or perhaps for troubleshooting? Or both? > > > > Yes, both. > > > > Due to it being quick to type, it's become the defacto method for > > interactively triggering puppet agent runs. > > > > puppet agent -t > > > > Maybe the right answer is to identify the chunks of functionality > > people use it for, and add those as new options, deprecating --test > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Nigel Kersten <ni...@puppetlabs.com> > > > wrote: > > > > >> On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 4:53 PM, James Louis <jgloui...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > exactly. to what purpose? > > > > >> To trigger an immediate run on a client with the common options used > > >> when testing a real run, not a noop run. > > > > >> If there was a clear word that described this functionality, we > > >> probably wouldn't be having this discussion. > > > > >> > On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Patrick <kc7...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >> >> On Jan 23, 2011, at 4:47 PM, James Louis wrote: > > > > >> >> > that tells what options are applied when --test is used but doesn't > > >> >> > explain the functionality of --test (i.e. --test is an option to > > >> >> > enable the > > >> >> > puppet agent to test it's connection to the puppet master by turning > > >> >> > on the > > >> >> > following options... blah blah blah) > > > > >> >> Ah. Basically, test doesn't do anything except turn on all those > > >> >> options. > > > > >> >> -- > > >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > >> >> Groups > > >> >> "Puppet Users" group. > > >> >> To post to this group, send email to puppet-users@googlegroups.com. > > >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > >> >> puppet-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > >> >> For more options, visit this group at > > >> >>http://groups.google.com/group/puppet-users?hl=en. > > > > >> > -- > > >> > “Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that > > >> > you > > >> > didn’t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail > > >> > away > > >> > from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. 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So throw off the bowlines. Sail > > > away > > > from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. 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