Jo,

Let's not make this personal.  You don't know how old I am or what 
infrastructures I've managed.

You don't need to use Hiera.  You can use any data lookup tool you like to do 
the same thing.

What you are seeing is not an official stance of any kind, it's a spontaneous 
community reaction.  People aren't agreeing with you, which means you aren't 
arguing effectively.

Instead of making the case that someone else should do this, I recommend that 
you code up a solution and issue a pull request.  If the code looks valuable it 
can then be managed like any other feature or code request in Puppet.  

Clearly the community is not crying out for the solution as you've enunciated 
it.  Maybe you've enunciated it poorly.  In that case, write something to fix 
it and some demo usage.  Code wins arguments.

-Eric 

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On Monday, June 18, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Jo Rhett wrote:

> Right, sure.  Instead of 18 lines of puppet policy that do exactly what I 
> need, I should instead go create an infrastructure based around a barely 
> documentation and SLOW part of puppet.  Because who wants finer granularity 
> for your controls, when you could implement a huge infrastructure instead?
> 
> I take it you are a bit too young to have watched companies go out and 
> implement Active Directory to solve a minor technical problem, aren't you?  
> There is no value in implementing an infrastructure with its own requirements 
> for redundancy and its own dependancies to solve something you can code in an 
> hour.
> 
> On Jun 18, 2012, at 4:27 PM, Eric Shamow wrote:
> > No - if it's that small and simple, the data bout which host is in which 
> > should be in your source of truth, CMDB, etc - and Puppet should read that 
> > data and determine which attribute or set of attributes (or resources) is 
> > applied based on that.
> > 
> > You can do this today with hiera and conditionals.
> > 
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