On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:41 AM, Ben Bangert <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:50 AM, Noah Gift wrote:
>
>> I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that
>> something always breaks.  I just got this today:
>>
>> http://pylonshq.com/pasties/d8768f105749c5c169094812c4e0f01a
>>
>> Sigh...  This is a tad frustrating because everytime I tell someone to
>> use Pylons, them tell me installation breaks, then I say, "thanks
>> can't be...", and it always turns out to be true.  Of course I can fix
>> this myself by installing tempita and nose, but it can really burn a
>> newbie forever from using Pylons.  Anyone as motivated as me to
>> permanently fix this so an install NEVER breaks.  I think this is
>> possible.
>
> On OSX, it's always installed just fine. Over a half dozen people on OSX
> that I've sent to the Pylons Getting Started page have installed and run the
> helloworld Pylons app just fine as well.

Hmm, I wonder if something is going on with my ecosystem possibly
then.  About 24 hours ago, I was doing some research on why it took 26
seconds to run nose, and I discovered this information:

http://artificialcode.blogspot.com/2009/04/short-circuiting-python-module-lookup.html

If you use eggs, then setuptools always looks at all of them, no
matter what module you install.  I have also had problems with bfg and
turbogears blowing up too.

I do like my analogy on Python packaging though, not sure if I have
shared it here or not.  What would you do if, in a fictional scenario,
someone kidnapped your family, and said, "
In 24 hours, we are going to install your software, either on Mac,
Linux, or Windows.  If it works, will release your family."  Would you
do anything different then what you are doing now. Or are you
confident that it is as reliable as possible and that it will install
99.999999999999% of the time on any system?


>
> - Ben



-- 
Cheers,

Noah

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