On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Mike Orr <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Noah Gift <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Ben Bangert <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Noah, you work at Weta, thats a big (and rather profitable) company that
>>> uses Python. Maybe you could get some of them to sic some full-time
>>> programmers on making the system as flawless as you speak of for the good of
>>> all python packages? :)
>>
>> I do agree, this is something that companies that use open source
>> software should do.  I am also willing to help present it to
>> management.
>
> You did mention a while ago that the company may be willing to
> contribute financially to Python projects, if a suitable nonprofit
> structure were in place to receive the funds.  Given that such a
> structure does not exist at this point, it would be worth asking them
> to contribute some developer time instead, either yours or hiring
> somebody.  That way it's merely a code contribution which is
> tax-neutral, and something that the company can do unilaterally.  You
> can point out that by contributing, they're encouraging others
> likewise to contribute, which will benefit the company.  (And has
> already benefited the company since they're using the software.)
>
> At PyCon I happened to sit next to the PSF treasurer during lunch, so
> I mentioned to him that some Python projects have been looking for
> help to set up a nonprofit structure to receive donations.  He said he
> would look into it, but that all the scenarios he can think of require
> a lot of paperwork and accounting and legal liability on the PSF's
> part, and may be both peripheral to the PSF's mission and overkill for
> the small amount of money that each project is likely to attract.  I
> gave him the address of a Seattle sports group that has a similar
> structure, where each team is a member and can receive pass-through
> donations and keep their own accounting.  He said he'd look into how
> they do it and whether it would be feasable for the PSF.  But in the
> meantime, it may be that in-kind donations are just easier overall.

Fortunately or unfortunately, I don't make financial decisions at my
current company, although I think a case could be made at many
companies :)  I do agree though, that giving money to Pylons is a good
thing.  In fact, I have already mentioned privately, that I have no
problem donating my own money, because I do a fair amount of
consulting.  If there was a mechanism in place for people to make
micropayments to have certain features or problems solved, I think you
would be quite surprised at the amount of people who give developers
money.

In addition, if some tasks are seperated into jobs, then possibly
outside contributors who don't really know everything about Pylons,
could help just do those specific tasks....like getting packaging 99%
effective,etc.

In case it wasn't clear, I think the Pylons is doing an expectionally
good job, and the core developers need more recognition, help, and
money.  Getting a more formal way to provide recognition, money, and
help would be a good thing.

>
> --
> Mike Orr <[email protected]>
>
> >
>



-- 
Cheers,

Noah

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