My $0.02 USD: As a longtime Pylons classic (1.x) and sometimes Zope 3 user, I'm intrigued by Pyramids.
A disclaimer: I was not fond of classical Zope 3 development. Since I worked with a longtime Zope veteran (Jeff Shell), I know why Zope 3 was an architectural improvement over Zope 2. But the application development experience left a lot to be desired for me personally (the ZCML requirement was one but not the only reason). However, the essence of the ZCA was promising and I've followed the grok and repoze initiatives with great interest as they experimented with ways to free Zope 3 from Zope 3. The ZCA exists to free web framework developers from endless subclassing. Zope 2 had endless subclassing and it began to wear on people. Zope 3 was a radical break to free the Zope community from the same problems that Mr. Bangert is facing with Pylons 1.x. The ZCA unfortunately came about at a time when XML and Javaish enterprisy terminology was all the rage and it reflects its passage through that dark time. However, the vast, vast, vast, vast, vast, vast, vast majority of Pylons web _application_ developers would never have to face the agony of the raw ZCA, ZCML, or interfaces. That's something for framework nerds and hardcore Zope veterans. Core ZCA components like zope.component and zope.interface as well as other Zope components are over five years old and rock solid. It's merely their usability that has largely fallen short. Pyramids has the potential to bring things the Zope community has had for years down from the mountaintop to a larger community. In truth, the Zope legacy is little more than an asterisk to future Pylons development. If Pylons/Pyramids/whatever is successfully packaged and sold, Zope 3 may receive vindication in the end. Especially if people don't realize they're using Zope 3. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pylons-discuss" group. To post to this group, send email to pylons-disc...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to pylons-discuss+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/pylons-discuss?hl=en.
