On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Chris McDonough <chr...@plope.com> wrote:
> It satisfies some people entirely, and other people very poorly. The > folks it satisfies poorly tend to be people who need to do very > layout-intensive "retail" forms with lots of irregular styling and > arbitrary layout. They don't like it because it often it requires that > they write Deform templates. This is a large percentage of people. > Hmm. Thanks for the high-level perspective, Chris. I'll weigh in; it was my question that started this. As-is, I can't use Deform out-of-the-box. I'm willing to invest some work to make it work for me, of course, but its not flexible enough on output, as you acknowledge, for a large percentage of people. I don't think that my needs are particularly irregular or layout-intensive, fwiw. Styling forms sucks; and don't get me wrong, deform is a welcome tool in the pyramid arsenal. And the default templates including support for "required" styling and-so-on are completely up to par for markup completeness, standards, etc. But my needs are not advanced or special... in my opinion. Having good/logical css-selector access to the html-elements and their containing elements is necessary for my real-world work, call it 'retail', sure. And the containing html as-is precludes simple things like 2-column forms. (I expect it's possible through some clever use of float styles and re-ordering the schema to zip left-right, left-right, left-right rather than left-left-left right-right-right.) It seems like a logical help for a "large percentage of people" would be to let the widget markup stay as-is, which is deliberate and full-featured, but over-ride the markup for the form object itself... letting the fields slug-in their buckets of markup in a loop or a mapping. I think this will get us 95% of the way there, except for *really* picky layouts, where the number of spaces between the <label> and the <input> might matter or something. I'm so ignorant with ZPT that I don't even know if the given form.pt can be easily modified, but I expect so. If I can make this work, I could make a recipe for the cookbook or whatever. > If the next question is "what would it take to...", the answer is "I > don't know". I haven't had much occasion to think about it, and won't > soon (delta sponsored work entering the equation). Maybe those of us who have expressed an interest in this aspect of deform can come up with an answer to this question... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pylons-discuss" group. To post to this group, send email to pylons-discuss@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to pylons-discuss+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/pylons-discuss?hl=en.
