On Fri, 20 Jul 2018 at 15:36 Nathaniel Smith <n...@pobox.com> wrote: > On Fri, Jul 20, 2018, 08:58 Brett Cannon <br...@python.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 20, 2018, 07:51 Nick Coghlan, <ncogh...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Guido was willing to do it for so long because Python was his > >> creation, and he grew into the increasing demands of the BDFL role as > >> time went by, but even he eventually reached the point of saying "I > >> don't want to do this any more - the personal costs are outweighing > >> the personal benefits". There's no way that a new individual in a > >> comparable role to Guido's is going to have an easier time of it than > >> Guido did, and a lot of good reasons to believe that they will find it > >> significantly harder (not least of which is that Guido has been able > >> to request 50% funded "BDFL-time" from his employers since he joined > >> Google in 2005, and it's unlikely that a newcomer to the role would > >> enjoy that benefit any time soon). > > > > While I'm purposefully staying out of this thread as my name is > currently so strongly associated with it and I don't want people thinking > I'm a megalomaniac, I will say that I see no reason why I wouldn't get 50% > time at Microsoft if I asked for it (I already get a day/week plus email > reading every day). > > Is that only if you were named BDFL, or do you think they might also > support that if you were named "Chief PEP Herder", or "Member of the > steering council",or similar? >
It isn't really title and more about workload/responsibility. So if the title changed to "Chief PEP herder" but it was still on my shoulders to have final say then I don't expect an issue as they would understand what that means to me and my time. If I'm one of three on a council then I might still get more time but I'm not as sure; it's definitely possible, but not as much of a sure thing. If the group was 10 then probably not because that means I am just one of about a quarter of all authors over the past year. > > AFAICT Guido spent a lot of time behind the scenes moving PEPs along > and generally keeping things organized. I think we might get a lot of > value out of having more people with time to focus on these things, > and it's not really limited to the BDFL. The Django project seems to > benefit a lot from their fellows program [1], and in the recent grant > the PSF got for PyPI, everyone was *very* happy that we spent money on > a project manager [2]. (And at the risk of falling into megalomania > myself, I've also written about this recently [3].) > > So I don't have a specific proposal or anything, but maybe as part of > this discussion we should be exploring ways to get more dedicated time on > CPython, through company's donating time, or sponsoring people through > the PSF, or whatever makes sense. > I think that's a constant discussion to have which never really ends. People with more time to effectively contribute is always welcome. :) -Brett > > -n > > [1] > https://www.djangoproject.com/weblog/2016/dec/28/fellowship-2016-retrospective/ > [2] https://twitter.com/EWDurbin/status/968180960066928640 > [3] > https://vorpus.org/blog/the-unreasonable-effectiveness-of-investment-in-open-source-infrastructure/ >
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