On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 10:16 AM Steven D'Aprano <st...@pearwood.info> wrote: [..] > Well, I could announce it, but nobody would pay any attention. Why > should we pay attention to this announcement? No offense to Łukasz, but > how did he get put in charge of this?
You could and everybody would pay attention. As for Łukasz and Discourse: (1) I remember asking Brett, Łukasz, Victor, Guido and few other core devs if we can do something to "fix" python-ideas at the previous core devs sprint (2 years ago). I also remember Guido saying that PEPs discussions on mailing lists are super hard to manage, and that he wishes we can do that on GitHub. A frustration with our mailing lists has been a known issue for many core devs for a long time. (2) Brett has previously expressed that moderating and enforcing CoC on our mailing lists isn't a pleasant experience. Discourse provides way more tools to make discussions more manageable. Hopefully it will allow to diffuse heated discussions before anyone needs to even think about CoC. (3) We want to try Discource now because discussions on python-ideas, python-dev, and python-committers became *unbearable* to many core devs (including myself). Most of the time I find it inconvenient to even read them, left alone engage. (4) E-mail is clearly more convenient to *follow* the discussion to a lot core devs in this threads. Discourse, hopefully, will enable many other core developers to *want* to follow and feel *safe* to engage. Given all the above, Łukasz *volunteered* his own time to help setup Discourse and help everyone to migrate to it so that we can all try it. When he announced that we want to try Discourse at the sprints, out of all people there I remember only Barry asking questions about email integration. Everybody else including Guido, Brett, Raymond, Victor, Mariatta, and many others were OK to try Discourse. As I can see, Łukasz himself doesn't have any interests in this migration besides trying to make our communication more enjoyable and welcoming. Lastly, I understand everybody who likes e-mail and their e-mail clients. I'm such a person myself. Learning a completely new tool and using browser to access it isn't easy for me either. But I'm willing to try to sacrifice some of my convenience in order to see if the new medium can enable us to have more polite discussions and if core developers who don't want to engage now become comfortable to join us again. Yury _______________________________________________ python-committers mailing list python-committers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
