On 06/30/2020 05:03 AM, Łukasz Langa wrote:
On 30 Jun 2020, at 12:44, Ethan Furman <et...@stoneleaf.us
<mailto:et...@stoneleaf.us>> wrote:
Of course I don't know if Keara or Guido knew any of this, but it certainly feels to me that
the commit message is ostracizing an entire family line because they had the misfortune to
have the wrong last name. In fact, it seems like Strunk & White is making changes to be
inclusive in its advice -- exactly what I would have thought we wanted on our side ("our
side" being the diverse and welcoming side).
In any case, saying that Keara and Guido mistook the family name of one of the
authors for skin color feels derogatory.
My apologies, that was not my intent. As I said, I never knew what it was
until today (er, yesterday now).
The commit message clearly is controversial but when you say the change itself was
unnecessary, consider that English is now a language predominantly used outside of
USA and Great Britain. Relaxing the recommendation to use S & L Standard
English in the CPython codebase isn't problematic in this sense. That
recommendation was largely ignored anyway, as core developer voices in the other
threads already admitted. So, chaos won't ensue. We still want to maintain
consistency, as PEP 8 recommends. I don't think you have to worry now about seeing
organization and organisation in the same docstring.
Well, that wouldn't bother me -- as often as not I use non-US-English
spellings; I just appreciate if it's a correct spelling /somewhere/.
That's what it felt like: betrayal.
This entire section of your message is confusing to me. Mind explaining? How
does a commit message equate stabbing somebody who helped you? What is being
betrayed in this commit?
The original request for the change had absolutely no hint that the current
text was racist in any way; then we find out that, apparently, we've been
harboring white supremacist ideals by prescribing when to use apostrophes and
commas? That commit message (not the commit itself) took what should have been
a simple change and turned into a platform for political grandstanding of the
worst kind:
- False, as far as I can tell (until given confirming examples from the S&W
text)
- Only colored people are mentioned (and other /native English speakers/)
- Zero mention of non-native English speakers
Basically, it feels like we were lied to. And if that wasn't bad enough, to
see that Guido accepted that vitriolic commit message and merged it in ... it
makes me embarrassed to be a Python supporter.
--
~Ethan~
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