On 11 December 2016 at 01:33, Donald Stufft <don...@stufft.io> wrote: > > On Dec 10, 2016, at 8:10 AM, Nick Coghlan <ncogh...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> P.S. For folks wondering what the problem with "--user" is on >> Debian/Ubuntu, as far as I know it's mainly the fact that >> "~/.local/bin" isn't on PATH by default, so scripts installed via >> "--user" aren't automatically available. > > FWIW, I think Nathaniel? got the uh, Bash? Maintainers on Debian to add it > to the default skel for users.
Ah, nice - that's very good to hear, as it removes one of the barriers to making "--user" the default behaviour upstream in pip. However, it also reminded me of our past discussions about defaulting to --user in pip, and re-reading the relevant issue brought me to: https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues/1668#issuecomment-107016411 The specific proposal there was to: 1. Add the `--global` flag to pip upstream, so folks can always force environment global installs by doing: pip3 install --global <install-spec> 2. Change the default install behavior in the Fedora system pip package to include "--user" (and require an explicit "--global" to override that) The burden would then be on Fedora as the distro to ensure that "pip3 install <arbitrary-package>" still offered a good user experience, such as making sure that the per-user bin directory was on PATH by default. Actually doing that would mean taking Donald's first pass at implementing the `--global` switch, bringing it up to merge-ready standards, and then incorporating the pip release containing the feature into Fedora: https://github.com/pypa/pip/pull/2418 The benefit of that approach is that it would not only solve the conflict between dnf and pip at the Fedora level, but also move the packaging user experience forward for the Python ecosystem as a whole (by making the `--global` switch available in anticipation of a future upstream switch to `--user` as the default). Cheers, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | ncogh...@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia _______________________________________________ python-devel mailing list -- python-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
