I agree about the heavy rhetoric, but the OP has a good point. I have often thought the same thing.
Isn’t it a bit ironic that the stdlib version of an important module is a poor example of Pythonic style[*] and we have to find a third party package to do something as important as logging? But the way forward would be to suggest an alternative, rather than rant about it :-) So the question is: would an update/addition/alternative API to the logging module be considered for inclusion in the stdlib? -CHB [*] Of course, it is not a given that logging IS non-Pythonic, if the community likes it as it is, then this, of course, is a non starter. PS: unittest is another candidate, though even more integral to core Python. But I’d love to see a “pytest lite” in the stdlib. I suspect I’m not the only one that only uses unittest for the stdlib. IIUC, both the logging and unittest design were inspired (if not directly ported) from Java. Which explains their out-of-place feeling design. As the say, “Python is not Java” — so maybe Python should not log and test like java? -CHB On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 7:41 AM Guido van Rossum <gu...@python.org> wrote: > There is no need for all that heavy rhetoric. > > There are many 3rd party modules that provide simpler interfaces to the > logging module. > > Go do some Googling. > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 06:03 Adam Hendry <adam.grant.hen...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Dear Python-ideas, >> >> After looking at the `logging` module, I slammed my fist on my desk and >> declared "There has to be a better way!" ( >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf-BqAjZb8M). Can we make the `logging` >> module more "Pythonic" per Raymond Hettinger's presentation "Beyond PEP 8 >> -- Best practices for beautiful intelligible code - PyCon 2015"? >> >> Thank you, >> Adam Hendry >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Python-ideas mailing list -- python-ideas@python.org >> >> To unsubscribe send an email to python-ideas-le...@python.org >> >> https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-ideas.python.org/ >> >> Message archived at >> https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-ideas@python.org/message/BK6P32YAUZ2D763LJXKI6WNVUNHQIBKH/ >> >> Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >> >> -- > --Guido (mobile) > > > _______________________________________________ > > Python-ideas mailing list -- python-ideas@python.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to python-ideas-le...@python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-ideas.python.org/ > > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-ideas@python.org/message/4M6NMEGR32DTY4T5S5UMTQV7LAQKEKCU/ > > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > > -- Christopher Barker, PhD Python Language Consulting - Teaching - Scientific Software Development - Desktop GUI and Web Development - wxPython, numpy, scipy, Cython
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