Brings me to a question. Why weren't the logger and unittest module "PEP-8"ified in the transition from 2 to 3?
And I agree that both modules are a bit odd. On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 17:31, Christopher Barker <python...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I agree about the heavy rhetoric, but the OP has a good point. I have often > thought the same thing. > > Isn’t it a bit ironic that the stdlib version of an important module is a > poor example of Pythonic style[*] and we have to find a third party package > to do something as important as logging? > > But the way forward would be to suggest an alternative, rather than rant > about it :-) > > So the question is: would an update/addition/alternative API to the logging > module be considered for inclusion in the stdlib? > > -CHB > > [*] Of course, it is not a given that logging IS non-Pythonic, if the > community likes it as it is, then this, of course, is a non starter. > > PS: unittest is another candidate, though even more integral to core Python. > But I’d love to see a “pytest lite” in the stdlib. I suspect I’m not the only > one that only uses unittest for the stdlib. > > IIUC, both the logging and unittest design were inspired (if not directly > ported) from Java. Which explains their out-of-place feeling design. As the > say, “Python is not Java” — so maybe Python should not log and test like java? > > -CHB > > > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 7:41 AM Guido van Rossum <gu...@python.org> wrote: >> >> There is no need for all that heavy rhetoric. >> >> There are many 3rd party modules that provide simpler interfaces to the >> logging module. >> >> Go do some Googling. >> >> On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 06:03 Adam Hendry <adam.grant.hen...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Python-ideas, >>> >>> After looking at the `logging` module, I slammed my fist on my desk and >>> declared "There has to be a better way!" >>> (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf-BqAjZb8M). Can we make the `logging` >>> module more "Pythonic" per Raymond Hettinger's presentation "Beyond PEP 8 >>> -- Best practices for beautiful intelligible code - PyCon 2015"? >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Adam Hendry >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Python-ideas mailing list -- python-ideas@python.org >>> >>> To unsubscribe send an email to python-ideas-le...@python.org >>> >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-ideas.python.org/ >>> >>> Message archived at >>> https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-ideas@python.org/message/BK6P32YAUZ2D763LJXKI6WNVUNHQIBKH/ >>> >>> Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >>> >> -- >> --Guido (mobile) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Python-ideas mailing list -- python-ideas@python.org >> >> To unsubscribe send an email to python-ideas-le...@python.org >> >> https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-ideas.python.org/ >> >> Message archived at >> https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-ideas@python.org/message/4M6NMEGR32DTY4T5S5UMTQV7LAQKEKCU/ >> >> Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >> > -- > Christopher Barker, PhD > > Python Language Consulting > - Teaching > - Scientific Software Development > - Desktop GUI and Web Development > - wxPython, numpy, scipy, Cython > _______________________________________________ > Python-ideas mailing list -- python-ideas@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to python-ideas-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-ideas.python.org/ > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-ideas@python.org/message/MXQPMHKA6D63OAAWJIOPF7QBSUB33FN2/ > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ -- Kind regards, Stefano Borini _______________________________________________ Python-ideas mailing list -- python-ideas@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-ideas-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-ideas.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-ideas@python.org/message/DP4T757D4UHQ2PX7NJ3EZE7763R4Z5QC/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
