On 2020-11-24 16:47, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 10:29 AM Brendan Barnwell <brenb...@brenbarn.net> wrote:
On 2020-11-24 00:05, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> >
>> >I'm still confused what the point is of a zipapp, if it can't be a proper
point and click GUI thing, and it can't use any compiled extensions. How it is it better
than a console_script and a pip-installed package??
>> >
> It CAN be a proper point-and-click GUI thing. You can have a fully
> executable Python script if it has no dependencies (just distribute a
> single .py file with a shebang at the top), and if you can't do that,
> bundle it into a .pyz with zipapp and, again, put a shebang for posix
> platforms. Windows, if the py.exe launcher is installed, will happily
> let you double-click on a .py or .pyz and it'll run just fine.
I think by "proper point-and-click GUI thing" he meant the app itself
is a GUI app, not just "can be launched via the OS GUI". At least, that
is what I would mean by that, and that is what can't be done without C
extensions, because most GUI toolkits require C extensions.
Python ships with one GUI toolkit (Tkinter). If you can't install
anything else, you at least get that.
That's not even close to sufficient.
I realize that we're diverging a bit from the original thread here, but
basically my position on this is that what would be good is a full
solution. Not another half solution or three-quarters solution. What I
mean by a full solution is I should be able to write any Python app
using any libraries I want and anyone can install it on any OS without
knowing anything about Python or any of those libraries, with no
limitations except that the libraries my app uses have to exist for the
platform they install it on. So if, say, PyQt actually isn't available
for your platform, okay, you're out of luck, but if it is available
there should be no packaging/distribution/installation obstacle that
prevents it from being used in an app that appears to the user as an
ordinary native OS app.
These other alternatives of "well no but you can do X. . ." are, from
my perspective, pointless. There are already lots of half-solutions
that allow some combinations of things but not others, and we don't need
another one of those. What we need is a full solution. The great thing
about Python is ALL the things you can with Python, and what would be
good is a solution that lets you do ALL the things you can do with
Python, but as regular transparently-OS-installable-and-usable apps.
--
Brendan Barnwell
"Do not follow where the path may lead. Go, instead, where there is no
path, and leave a trail."
--author unknown
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