On Jan 19, 6:01 pm, geremy condra <debat...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm not telling you to change your behavior. I'm telling you that the > way you're doing things isn't effective. You can take that advice or > not, just as I can decide to listen to you... or not. > > I also wouldn't advise you to change your name again. I think you've > already landed on a couple of spam lists for that.
Yes i know! The whole "name" issue was blown out of proportion. Look i think i should explain how this whole name conundrum started. When i first came to this list you can imagine that i was not prepared to divulge every detail about my identity and personal life (as most should not!). So i choose a cryptic and nonsensical name. Yes, i made it up! And at the time i never had any inclination that i would want to get so involved with this group. Well that was then and this is now... However, after i became "known" within the community many folks started to debase any of my arguments simply on the fact that my name was anonymous. So at that time i started using my real name "Rick Johnson" and my nickname as "rantingrick". After this people then accused my of "identity hopping". Even some of the same folks who previously were complaining about my cryptic first name choice! Now they were complain that i choose to use my REAL name. Ironic eh! So what it boils down to is this... some people on this list just hate me and trying to please them is a waste of time. > > I am not "tearing down" anything, however that was a nice try Geremy > > *wink*. The only thing that is being "torn down" is the solid wall of > > rabid resistance that has been slowly built by this community over > > many years. > > I don't think this is the case, first because you aren't very good at > getting anybody to take you seriously How "self absorbed" must someone be to blame *ME* because *THEY* cannot take *ME* seriously. Is this a joke Geremy? Sadly i know it to be true however because you are not the only person who carries this attitude. > and second because I don't think > that resistance on this issue is as mindless as you claim. i have exposed the baseless, nonsensical, and argumentative stance taken by some in an effort to sway public opinion with FUD and BS. So i would say that arguing with baseless facts does constitute "rabid resistance". What else could it be? > > We have become too centralized and many folks are being > > left out of the community decision process. > > I disagree with the first half. The second I'm more prone to agree > with, although I don't have a lot of great ideas about how to solve > the problem. Well maybe you are not a visionary, however i believe we still need you in other areas. > You seem to be full of ideas (most of which I think are > terrible) but very short on actually getting anything done. Until you > begin to remedy that I doubt very many people here will take you as > seriously as you seem to want. Look, every organization needs workers, visionaries, liaisons, supervisors, etc. I seem to fit nicely into a Visionary role. Maybe that bothers you? I don't know? But we all have our place Geremy. Do you think any organization could survive simply with robotic workers and no guidance? No, and why not? Because workers cannot see the big picture. They are too focused (and rightly so) on some small detail that encompasses their job duty. Only the supervisor/visionary has the luxury of looking at the problem from a global perspective. Think of Python-dev as a car. A car is a machine. A very complicated machine that needs a driver to harness it's power and give it direction and purpose. -- someone who can see "beyond" the horizon. Someone who can read a road map and then re-calculate a path if road construction blocks the current one. Without the car the driver is nothing, and without the driver the car is nothing. But together, they are a force to reckoned with. Well, unless the driver is Asian -- then all bets are off! :-) > Also, be careful with where you say 'we'- I certainly don't recognize > your authority to speak on behalf of the community, and I suspect that > an overwhelming majority of the community's other members feel the > same way. You see! This is the resistance i am talking about. You (and others) don't want to accept me as part of the community. If you did accept me, then my speaking collectively (we) would not be troubling to you. However i do not blame you directly for this prejudice. I think it is more of a sub-conscience undercurrent that pervades this community as a whole. A fear of outsiders. A xenophobia if you will. We need to change this now! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list