Hi,

This is a very interesting list. It basically confirms what I thought. Consumer 
Point and shoot deceives are all around 2-6m with no canopy. The average 
multiple positions basically give you a better idea as a gps may get lucky.  It 
would be nice to have the full methodology for this and more data (like the 
number of satellite and the position of the constellation and the gps price 
list) but it’s very interesting none the less.  I was also happy that the data 
confirms the precision of the gps Sx-Blue 11. This claims to be sub meter and 
my tests indicated that on our office unit but it’s nice to see it done 
elsewhere.  For about 2000$, this gps is pretty good. As for the rest, the 
difference between 150$ and 1000$ is probably  more a function of the options 
(like maps and screen size...) and not a question of precision. It would be 
nice to know what gps chips they are running...

Interesting thing also is that based on my reviewing the data on my phone 
(without graph or cross tabulation tables) is that the Glonas Constellation 
does not seem to help much.  Quick stats on this list would confirm this. Maybe 
this is just a figment of my imagination because there’s only so much 
information you can grad without running proper stats.

Thanks for the post.

Nicolas Cadieux
Ça va bien aller!

> Le 23 mai 2020 à 09:02, Randal Hale <rjh...@northrivergeographic.com> a écrit 
> :
> 
> One other thing that may or may not be of use but the USDA Forest Service 
> Publishes a GPS Receiver Report that covers phones - and that's helped if 
> I've had a client go "Well I have a Apple <something> or a Android <thing>". 
> At least I feel slightly better going "good enough" or "no not good enough".
> 
> It should be good worldwide (but I will admit I think phones are my 'tech 
> ceiling' these days) but your mileage may vary.
> 
> https://www.fs.fed.us/database/gps/mtdcrept/accuracy/index.htm
> 
> Randy
> 
>> On 5/22/20 8:55 PM, Priv.-Doz. Dr. Maria Shinoto wrote:
>> Somehow I did not follow the discussion, but like to add some of our 
>> experience.
>> 
>> We are doing field work in a remote region in the southern Japanese 
>> mountains, archaeological surveys on the ground based on LiDAR data.
>> 
>> A simple Garmin etrex10 is mostly reliable in an area of 40cm by 40cm around 
>> a measured point, if used repeatedly at this point and the point is located 
>> in the middle of a valley. Even cell phones do a good enough job. As soon as 
>> we get closer to the steep slopes, the accuracy of the Garmin is less than 5 
>> to 10 meters. We can check this with the detailed LiDAR based map, and 
>> geologists told us, that even an expensive device could not be more precise 
>> under these conditions. So we decided to measure traditionally on the ground 
>> if precise measure is necessary, otherwise note the GPS data and the 
>> location as shown in the map.
>> 
>> To sum up, we came to the conclusion not to spend money on an expensive GPS 
>> that may not work in the shadow of steep slopes -- or in the streets of New 
>> York. -- I appreciate any additional advice, and hope that this experience 
>> can save Steve's organisation some money...
>> 
>> Best,
>> Maria
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> Am 23.05.2020 um 03:54 schrieb Stephen Sacks <sack...@earthlink.net>:
>>> 
>>> In order to make widely available some wise advice, I'm sending to this 
>>> list a message I received from Neil B.  In addition to Neil's message 
>>> below, I want to mention that Nicolas Cadieux also provided similar 
>>> information, saying I'd have to pay around $1,000 for equipment that gives 
>>> consistently accurate location coordinates.  And thanks, also to Falk 
>>> Huettmann and Bernd Vogelgesang for their replies.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Message from Neil B:
>>> 
>>> Hello Stephen.
>>> Glad that you're having su
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