On Mon, Feb 01, 1999 at 03:34:51PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Dave Sill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 1 February 1999 at 13:59:11 -0500
>  > Russell Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > >
>  > >Too late, Dave.  You're trying to solve the wrong problem.
>  > 
>  > No, I'm trying to solve *my* problem, not the world's problems.
>  > 
>  > >People are already blocking dialups, more and more every day.
>  > 
>  > When my mail to people behind such blocks bounces, I'll resend it
>  > through my ISP's mailhub with an explanation of why it was delayed.
>  > 
>  > >Your problem is now to find a non-dialup SMTP client to relay your
>  > >mail, which isn't your ISP's.
>  > 
>  > My problem is that I've gotten caught in the anti-spam crossfire. My
>  > problem is that anti-spam zealots have overreacted, or wrongly
>  > reacted.
> 
> Maybe, but I'm nowhere near convinced it's wrong or overly broad.
> You,  yourself, probably really can run your own MTA better than your
> ISP -- sounds like you have a bad one.  I believe this is vanishingly
> rare today, and will become even rarer over the next few years.  Since
> I believe that, I don't see the cost of forcing you to go through your
> ISPs mailserver to be very big.  Even if you can do it better -- HOW
> MUCH better?  

Here in The Netherlands, of the 2 biggest ISPs (both about 300.000 dialup customers),
one (worldonline.nl) CONSTANTLY fucks up their e-mail. They offer different services
under different domain names (tip.nl and open.net), and every once in a while it
starts to bounce mail for these domains for a day or two.

The other biggest ISP is responsible for some bounce messages in my inbox.. quota
exceeded on [EMAIL PROTECTED]

It's not going to vanish. These two ISPs are growing, and growing hard. Technically,
they suck. But who is gonna tell (and convince!) all those innocent customers?

Greetz, Peter.
-- 
.| Peter van Dijk
.| [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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