The idea that you have to be a programmer to install qmail is silly. Lot's
of folks are programmers but have never done any systems administration.
Many people are systems administrators but haven't done any programming.
The whole point with setting up an adjunct mailing list is this:
1) The actual topicality of this list is fairly wide in scope, anything to
do with QMail, it's installation, installation quirks, QMail interactions
with other programs not in a Qmail tarball or RPM, QMail usage, getting
QMail to work with various mail clients.
2) There is a reasonable supply of folks who have taken it upon themselves
to claim that the scope of this mailing list is very very narrow in scope.
3) There is an insulting tenor to many folks on this list which seems to be
cultural, as if there is a qmail list culture which prizes rudeness and
insults.
So, I've made a mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I will post to the ezmlm list the questions relating to it's improved setup.
I'd like to do the following:
1: Forward all mail (moderated) from the qmail crypto list to my list. That
will make a delay, and not all emails will get through.
2: Have all qmail crypto mailings marked as such (If that can be done)
3: Make a subscription announcement specifiying the broad topicality of my
list and the prohibition of rule enforcement emails.
Alex Miller
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 1:53 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: New qmail list et al
>
>
> >> On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 21:45:46 -0600 (MDT),
> >> "Scott D. Yelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> S> Look at the source you say? I answer I'm not a programmer. You say
> S> then I am not in a position to be installing qmail or any other mta in
> S> the first place -- but, alas, who are you to say this when, in fact, I
> S> am put in just this exact position.
>
> Let's step back for a minute and look at the bigger picture. Why do we
> have to put up with so much crappy software from certain large
> companies? Because, like it or not, they gained market share
> by putting
> up with what we'd call stupid questions.
>
> In a better world, users would be more willing to learn, but on this
> planet, some of them are just too spooked by the machine to even try,
> especially if they're trying to migrate from Microsloth. If they buy
> enough cars with the hood welded shut, I don't blame them for thinking
> that's the way all cars are built. I don't feel obligated to do their
> thinking for them, but I don't call them stupid, either; no
> one was born
> knowing this stuff.
>
> I treat MS refugees like someone climbing over the (former)
> Berlin Wall;
> asking them why they didn't get over faster is not productive and
> doesn't show them why "software that doesn't suck" is better.
>
> If I see too many questions from someone, I treat it like spam
> and press
> 'd' for delete. If I see an easy question I've answered or
> seen before,
> I send a canned reply which I store in ~/mail/replies. The procmail
> list sends out a "mini-faq" every 2-3 weeks (no more than 40-50 lines)
> which holds the main resources for learning that package; perhaps we
> could do the same? Or, better yet, ezmlm could do that for us by
> appending one line to the header or body of our postings;
>
> Quick help: Send mail with subject "minifaq" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> I've worked on a help-desk in the same organization since 1988, so I am
> in touch with the experience of getting the same questions a dozen
> times.
>
> --
> Karl Vogel
> ASC/YCOA, Wright-Patterson AFB, OH 45433, USA
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Spock! That's negatory on "daisy dancing." You are out,
> repeat, out of character. Do you read me? Spock? --Bloom County
>
