Well said in both these messages. I really hope that some of the
self-appointed experts on this list take your example of civil behavior.
I've been on this list now since late 1996 and in recent times, it's become
almost intolerable with all the flamage. Somehow on other lists people manage
to co-exist with newbies without having to extract a pound of flesh with every
question. I suspect that if this list had been this rude in 1996, I would
have stuck with sendmail.
As it is, I consider unsubscribing several times a week (and it's not because
of the newbies).
Chris
> From: Russell Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 23:56:55 -0400 (EDT)
>
> Robin S. Socha writes:
> > * Paulo Jan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010510 11:00]:
> > > Considering the guy's name, perhaps English isn't his primary language
> > > and he isn't fluent at all with it, which would also explain why he
> > > wasn't able to express himself politely enough when rejecting the
> > > "offer" from that consultant, and had to resort to a
> > > basic-and-apparently-rude-sounding phrase like "I was asking for free
> > > help". Did that thought cross your mind?
> >
> > Not for second. I'm German. I don't think.
>
> Please forgive Robin. English isn't his primary language, and he
> sometimes uses rude words and phrases that I'm sure he would never,
> ever say in his native German.
> From: Russell Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 00:02:39 -0400 (EDT)
>
> Dave Sill writes:
> > Second, the offer of commercial support made to Pablo was sent
> > privately, not to list. Pablo's reposting it publicly is at least as
> > rude as trolling the list for clients.
>
> The best way to troll the list for clients is to answer people's
> questions.
>
> > Answering FAQ's is "nice", but it's tiresome and contributes to
> > lowering the signal/noise ratio on the list and it encourages other
> > newbies to ask their FAQ's.
>
> Flaming them about it, though, produces triple the traffic:
> 1) The newbie's mail
> 2) The flamer's mail, and
> 3) The backlash against Robin.
>
> > Ignoring FAQ's is the easiest and safest approach. It encourages the
> > newbie to search the web, list archives, etc. and doesn't reward
> > newbies by answering their question. It keeps the signal/noise ratio
> > high, and it keeps the civility and morale high.
>
> Probably. But it demands a certain amount of Teutonic self-control.
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