ES, port 587 is all about SMTP-AUTH, meaning that tcprules shouldn't
really matter as it's all done through auth. Port 25 doesn't require
auth, therefore it would need independent control.

What possible scenario would we need to control port 587 independently
of port 25 and why?

This seems like unnecessary complication, with no pay off at all.

Erik

On 1/31/07, Eric Shubes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Problem: controlling/configuring smtp and submission independently is
difficult, if not impossible.

Is there are reason why there *shouldn't* be separate tcprules files? I see
no advantage to having them share the same one.

Erik Espinoza wrote:
> A BSD admin that can take qmailtoaster and make it run on BSD can
> implmenet a firewall policy using ipf.
>
> I don't think having two tcp.smtp's is going to help, it doesn't seem
> to solve any problems we are having.
>
>
> Erik
>
> On 1/31/07, Alexey Loukianov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Greetings, Eric.
>>
>> 31 января 2007 г., 22:05:38 you have wrote:
>>
>> > Alexey Loukianov wrote:
>> >> Greetings, Erik.
>> >>
>> >> 31 ?????? 2007 ?., 6:02:20 you have wrote:
>> >>>> Separate tcprules file for submission port seems to me as a better
>> >>>> approach. It keeps administration of QT flexible and unified, and
>> also
>> >>>> it is more cross-platforming way, as tcpserver works on any platform
>> >>>> qmail can run on, while iptables is available only on linux systems
>> >>>> based on kernels 2.4.x and later.
>> >>
>> >>> Who cares? We don't even support Debian. . . :)
>> >>
>> >> Me, for example ;-D. A friend of mine, also a system engineer,
>> >> administer small FreeBSD based cluster, and he uses QT in his setup.
>> >> Accordingly to his words, it wasn't too hard to build and install RPM
>> >> system on his BSD boxes, and then to correct specs so basic QT parts
>> >> builds up and install successfully.
>> >>
>> >> Well, in any case we can always create tcp.submission ourselves, just
>> >> like I do it for tcp.pop3 ;-D. But the laziness of sysadmin is the
>> >> thing that makes me want tcp.submission to be included in stock
>> >> toaster.
>> >>
>> > I agree with Alexey on this. Besides which, wouldn't it be nice to
>> have QT
>> > on BSD as well? I wonder if Alexey's friend would care to contribute
>> in this
>> > area.
>>
>> It is not so easy, as BSD way is not to use RPMS, while main toaster
>> advantage is it's RPM nature. A friend of mine came to BSD world from
>> RedHad based linux distros, that is why he uses RPM even on BSD - it
>> is just a matter of habbit.
>>
>> Well, it is still possible to port QT on BSD and distribute is as a
>> bunch of tarballs if we will find some BSD geek who will want to
>> maintenance it. But I don't think it is a urgent task for qt-dev team
>> ;-D.
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>>  Alexey Loukianov                          mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> Software Development Department,
>> Lavtech Corp
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>>
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