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On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 10:59:29AM -0500, Chris Laprise wrote:
> On 12/21/2016 07:06 AM, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote:
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> > On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 12:40:35AM -0500, Chris Laprise wrote:
> > > On 12/20/2016 09:10 PM, Jean-Philippe Ouellet wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Chris Laprise <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > What would be TRULY useful is a global shortcut to shutdown the VM of
> > > > > the
> > > > > active window. That would save a great deal of mousing effort. I
> > > > > think it
> > > > > can be done easily in KDE shortcuts, but it would be nice to have for
> > > > > all
> > > > > DEs.
> > > > I find myself closing all VM windows before shutting down the VM out of
> > > > habit.
> > >
> > > With file managers, terminals, document editors, I finish and find myself
> > > wishing I didn't have to go back to QM to shutdown the VM. Excess running
> > > VMs has been an issue with Qubes in general.
> > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/832 ?
> > I have a PoC for this, will post soon.
>
>
> I still prefer my #2 suggestion there: If apps shutdown with a Ctrl+Q
> shortcut, then a Ctrl+Alt+Q or similar shortcut to shutdown the VM would
> make a lot of sense.
It may be a surprise to you, but not every application can be closed
with Ctrl+Q ;) And even if that's the case, it may want to ask some
final question ("Do you want do save this file?") and/or actually save
some data. So shutting down a VM when you choose to close some
application there, may not be the best option. Some solution for this
would be waiting for the application you choose to close actually
terminate. And here we're back to my solution.
> When users start encountering VMs automatically shutdown as soon as they
> begin to switch back to them--even if on occassion--they'll disable the flag
> for automatic idle shutdown on all their VMs. Even if they had set them
> manually to begin with, that means the modification to Qubes didn't help.
Well, you can adjust it, change criteria, change timeout etc. This is
exactly why I want to first have it opt-in and collect feedback.
> Think of a VM as a *runtime environment*. If Java or .Net automatically
> shutdown due to their running apps being idle, you would be sitting there
> right now wondering what these obscure "Java" and ".Net" thingies were.
Actually, if you close Java application, its runtime environment is also
gone. And in most cases you don't have an easy option to keep it alive.
And I think this is very accurate comparison - VM is in fact a runtime
environment for an application. I can easily envision a VM running just
Java Virtual Machine _instead of_ Linux - something like this doesn't
exist right now, but it's very valid idea.
> Its
> "very unorthodox", probably in the sense that its not going to help except
> in niche cases (like shutting down unused proxyVMs, which consume a lot less
> RAM to begin with).
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Best Regards,
Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
Invisible Things Lab
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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