On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 1:58:44 PM UTC-5, awokd wrote:
> On Sun, March 4, 2018 5:34 am, Tim W wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 6:33:27 AM UTC-5, awokd wrote:
> 
> >> Buying items through Tor means using your real identity through Tor.
> >> Some
> >> people use Tor for everything including banking. Some use Tor for all
> >> browsing except anything involving their real identity. Others just use
> >>  Tor occasionally for some sites. Try searching tor-users mailing list
> >> for questions similar to yours; you'll need to develop your own answer.
> >
> > That is how 99.9% of those caught using tor are found.  Its from bad
> > opsec not actually breaking of tor itself.    Tech even the way silk road
> > was brought down was via a spoof more than 100% of breaking tor.  but
> > like anything layers.  Whats great about qubes is it helps in numerous
> > ways from being resistant to the spread of malware its easy integration
> > oh whonix.  It ability to string numerous network tunneling chains
> > together to creating multiple layers if done correctly have the effect of
> > indecent cells working to a common goal with only the end user knowing
> > all parts.  Qubes is but one part but its configuration allows for
> > numerous ways and layer for security and or if done with proper opsec
> > anonymity
> 
> Agree with what you say except I want to redefine "caught" to "security
> failure". In the case of someone using Tor in conjunction with their real
> identity, for example, they aren't worried about the site or any third
> party trackers knowing WHO they are during that particular session. Their
> primary concern (aka a security failure for them) might be revealing their
> location by their real IP (or in the third party trackers case,
> link-ability across sessions/other sites by super cookies etc.). The trade
> off, though, is their traffic may get routed through network path that is
> less trusted than user -> ISP -> ISP -> site; would be user -> Tor ->
> random exit node -> random exit node's ISP -> ISP -> site. That's why
> there is no comprehensive, simple answer on the "right" way to use Tor. It
> varies by what you are trying to accomplish. See
> https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq.html.en#WhatProtectionsDoesTorProvide
> , or https://www.torproject.org/docs/documentation.html.en for more
> details and support options.

I could not agree more.  Also very well put and easy to understand example.  
You always have to define the use and what you are protecting and from who.  No 
one way for everything.

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