On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 4:12:56 AM UTC-8, unman wrote: > On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 06:31:35PM -0800, John Smiley wrote: > > On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 6:24:49 PM UTC-8, unman wrote: > > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 06:18:43PM -0800, John Smiley wrote: > > > > On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 4:59:59 PM UTC-8, unman wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 03:42:29PM -0800, John Smiley wrote: > > > > > > On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 3:19:16 PM UTC-8, John Smiley > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 3:02:13 PM UTC-8, > > > > > > > 22...@tutamail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > Some typos corrected and clarification added: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John, > > > > > > > > I'll take a shot at helping but would defer to Unman who has > > > > > > > > helped me out a lot, both directly and indirectly on this forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some notes: > > > > > > > > Been using 3.2 and 4.0 only...haven't tried 4.0.1 > > > > > > > > Not an expert but have having been using Qubes as my primary > > > > > > > > for over a year. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I loaded 4.0, however during the setup I did not add the > > > > > > > > default whonix template(v13 I think) to my system as the > > > > > > > > default whonix needs to be removed in order to upgrade to > > > > > > > > whonix-14. This option is chosen when loading Qubes for the > > > > > > > > first time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I immediately update Dom0 using a VPN connection thru my network > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After installing Qubes 4.0, I immediately install the whonix-14 > > > > > > > > template following these instructions: > > > > > > > > https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Qubes/Install > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All updates going forward are done thru > > > > > > > > sys-whonix-14-GW......... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you say upgrading Firefox are you just updating Firefox or > > > > > > > > the whole template...I don't just upgrade Firefox, I update the > > > > > > > > whole template i.e. I update the Debian template and the Fedora > > > > > > > > template and this updates Firefox in the template and the > > > > > > > > appvm's associated with the templates. Make sure you are aware > > > > > > > > of the template/appvm relationship...you don't update the > > > > > > > > appvm(e.g. sys-whonix), you update the template(whonix-gw) > > > > > > > > which is the source for the appvm(sys-whonix). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other best practices I follow: > > > > > > > > *Fresh templates seems to be the advice(vs upgrading) > > > > > > > > *Whonix-gw template is a key template to update as all my > > > > > > > > updates are done thru this template/appvms > > > > > > > > * Get a VPN appvm setup as a priority > > > > > > > > * Clone your templates and experiment on the clones, this way > > > > > > > > you can resort back to your clean template WHEN you F%$# it up > > > > > > > > (Not IF...you will at some point mess one up) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck, hope this helps... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you @tutamail. This is more like what I was looking for. > > > > > > > I've tried most of what you recommend, but not everything. I'll > > > > > > > re-install 4.0 and give your suggestions a try. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I appreciate the other replies as well. Sorry if I wasn't clear. > > > > > > > I only tried 4.0.1-rc1 out of desperation. What I want is the > > > > > > > latest production 4.0 platform. Most operating systems have a > > > > > > > simple process by which you are informed of packages that are out > > > > > > > of date and are offered an opportunity to upgrade them to the > > > > > > > most recent version supported by the distributor. It would be > > > > > > > great if Qubes had something like that. Perhaps someday it will. > > > > > > > In the meantime, there ought to be a document that clearly > > > > > > > explains how to go from a fresh install to the most recent > > > > > > > Qubes-supported version of every package installed in each > > > > > > > template and dom0. It would be even nicer if there were a > > > > > > > nightly/weekly build of the same packages used in a fresh > > > > > > > install, but all updated to the latest supported version so that > > > > > > > we could simply download and install that and know that we have > > > > > > > all of the most recent patches and upgrades. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can hear some of you now saying that if I want these things then > > > > > > get up off my lazy ass and build them. If I weren't fully (some > > > > > > would say overyly) employed with nothing but free time on my hands, > > > > > > I still wouldn't do that because I have other interests. I'm the > > > > > > consumer here. Some of you seem to forget that. This is feeback > > > > > > coming from a customer. Treat it as such. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm also not a Linux newbie. I'm not stumbling around trying to > > > > > > figure out where the power button is. I've used, installed, and > > > > > > upgraded various forms of Linux for years. My point is I know a > > > > > > lot more than most about Linux and virtualization and I'm having > > > > > > lots of issues with Qubes. I fully expect to spend many hours > > > > > > learning how Qubes works and how I can make the best use of it. I > > > > > > should not have to spend many hours simply getting it installed and > > > > > > updated. I don't think it's too big of an ask to have this spelled > > > > > > out well enough that someone experienced with Linux, but fresh to > > > > > > Qubes, can follow it and have be confident that the many security > > > > > > and other fixes described so well in your announcements are > > > > > > fixed/patched. Perhaps the problems I'm experiencing are unusual. > > > > > > I've been told that my hardware isn't all that peculiar for Qubes, > > > > > > so this should be a cake walk. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John, most of us have little free time and other interests.We're all > > > > > participant/consumers, although I dont believe any of us are > > > > > customers - you're not. > > > > > But your feedback is valued. > > > > > It would be *more* helpful if you gave some details about what issues > > > > > you > > > > > have experienced, what you have tried, and what problems you still > > > > > have. > > > > > When you reinstall 4.0 , if you hit problems just drop a line to this > > > > > list: there are many people who will try to help. > > > > > > > > Your quick responses are greatly appreciated. I just re-installed 4.0 > > > > and will make detailed notes of any issues I can't work through on my > > > > own. > > > > > > > > Customer or not? Well it's a free OS (not sure how you guys stay in > > > > business), so do we become customers by installing and using it? Does > > > > Facebook consider their users customers? More generally, if you don't > > > > pay for something, does that disqualify you from being considered a > > > > customer? I'm not sure it matters in this case. You are trying to > > > > help in spite of my snarkiness (which I will try to tone down) and > > > > that's what matters. > > > > > > > > > > Fellow user covers it, I think. > > > > I just donated $100 (+$14 to cover the cost of using a card) to Qubes to > > assuage my guilty conscience over giving you guys a hard time. > > > > Supportive fellow user.
And you guys probably thought I just couldn't follow directions: https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/4628 I'll put together a doc describing exactly how to go from 4.0 fresh install to latest GA build once we've sorted everything out. It will probably be obsolete before I finish it, but at least the next poor slob who starts from the ISO won't have to thrash about quite as much as I did. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/5dd4575b-0920-4458-a4f0-77b0773269a7%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
