On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 6:24:49 PM UTC-8, unman wrote: > On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 06:18:43PM -0800, John Smiley wrote: > > On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 4:59:59 PM UTC-8, unman wrote: > > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 03:42:29PM -0800, John Smiley wrote: > > > > On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 3:19:16 PM UTC-8, John Smiley wrote: > > > > > On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 3:02:13 PM UTC-8, > > > > > 22...@tutamail.com wrote: > > > > > > Some typos corrected and clarification added: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John, > > > > > > I'll take a shot at helping but would defer to Unman who has helped > > > > > > me out a lot, both directly and indirectly on this forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > Some notes: > > > > > > Been using 3.2 and 4.0 only...haven't tried 4.0.1 > > > > > > Not an expert but have having been using Qubes as my primary for > > > > > > over a year. > > > > > > > > > > > > I loaded 4.0, however during the setup I did not add the default > > > > > > whonix template(v13 I think) to my system as the default whonix > > > > > > needs to be removed in order to upgrade to whonix-14. This option > > > > > > is chosen when loading Qubes for the first time. > > > > > > > > > > > > I immediately update Dom0 using a VPN connection thru my network > > > > > > > > > > > > After installing Qubes 4.0, I immediately install the whonix-14 > > > > > > template following these instructions: > > > > > > https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Qubes/Install > > > > > > > > > > > > All updates going forward are done thru sys-whonix-14-GW......... > > > > > > > > > > > > When you say upgrading Firefox are you just updating Firefox or the > > > > > > whole template...I don't just upgrade Firefox, I update the whole > > > > > > template i.e. I update the Debian template and the Fedora template > > > > > > and this updates Firefox in the template and the appvm's associated > > > > > > with the templates. Make sure you are aware of the template/appvm > > > > > > relationship...you don't update the appvm(e.g. sys-whonix), you > > > > > > update the template(whonix-gw) which is the source for the > > > > > > appvm(sys-whonix). > > > > > > > > > > > > Other best practices I follow: > > > > > > *Fresh templates seems to be the advice(vs upgrading) > > > > > > *Whonix-gw template is a key template to update as all my updates > > > > > > are done thru this template/appvms > > > > > > * Get a VPN appvm setup as a priority > > > > > > * Clone your templates and experiment on the clones, this way you > > > > > > can resort back to your clean template WHEN you F%$# it up (Not > > > > > > IF...you will at some point mess one up) > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck, hope this helps... > > > > > > > > > > Thank you @tutamail. This is more like what I was looking for. I've > > > > > tried most of what you recommend, but not everything. I'll > > > > > re-install 4.0 and give your suggestions a try. > > > > > > > > > > I appreciate the other replies as well. Sorry if I wasn't clear. I > > > > > only tried 4.0.1-rc1 out of desperation. What I want is the latest > > > > > production 4.0 platform. Most operating systems have a simple > > > > > process by which you are informed of packages that are out of date > > > > > and are offered an opportunity to upgrade them to the most recent > > > > > version supported by the distributor. It would be great if Qubes had > > > > > something like that. Perhaps someday it will. In the meantime, there > > > > > ought to be a document that clearly explains how to go from a fresh > > > > > install to the most recent Qubes-supported version of every package > > > > > installed in each template and dom0. It would be even nicer if there > > > > > were a nightly/weekly build of the same packages used in a fresh > > > > > install, but all updated to the latest supported version so that we > > > > > could simply download and install that and know that we have all of > > > > > the most recent patches and upgrades. > > > > > > > > I can hear some of you now saying that if I want these things then get > > > > up off my lazy ass and build them. If I weren't fully (some would say > > > > overyly) employed with nothing but free time on my hands, I still > > > > wouldn't do that because I have other interests. I'm the consumer > > > > here. Some of you seem to forget that. This is feeback coming from a > > > > customer. Treat it as such. > > > > > > > > I'm also not a Linux newbie. I'm not stumbling around trying to figure > > > > out where the power button is. I've used, installed, and upgraded > > > > various forms of Linux for years. My point is I know a lot more than > > > > most about Linux and virtualization and I'm having lots of issues with > > > > Qubes. I fully expect to spend many hours learning how Qubes works and > > > > how I can make the best use of it. I should not have to spend many > > > > hours simply getting it installed and updated. I don't think it's too > > > > big of an ask to have this spelled out well enough that someone > > > > experienced with Linux, but fresh to Qubes, can follow it and have be > > > > confident that the many security and other fixes described so well in > > > > your announcements are fixed/patched. Perhaps the problems I'm > > > > experiencing are unusual. I've been told that my hardware isn't all > > > > that peculiar for Qubes, so this should be a cake walk. > > > > > > > > > > John, most of us have little free time and other interests.We're all > > > participant/consumers, although I dont believe any of us are customers - > > > you're not. > > > But your feedback is valued. > > > It would be *more* helpful if you gave some details about what issues you > > > have experienced, what you have tried, and what problems you still have. > > > When you reinstall 4.0 , if you hit problems just drop a line to this > > > list: there are many people who will try to help. > > > > Your quick responses are greatly appreciated. I just re-installed 4.0 and > > will make detailed notes of any issues I can't work through on my own. > > > > Customer or not? Well it's a free OS (not sure how you guys stay in > > business), so do we become customers by installing and using it? Does > > Facebook consider their users customers? More generally, if you don't pay > > for something, does that disqualify you from being considered a customer? > > I'm not sure it matters in this case. You are trying to help in spite of > > my snarkiness (which I will try to tone down) and that's what matters. > > > > Fellow user covers it, I think.
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