On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 00:39:56 -0800 (PST)
nosugarmaxta...@gmail.com wrote:
>On Sunday, 24 February 2019 03:44:51 UTC+11, 799 wrote:
>> <nosugar...@gmail.com> schrieb am Sa., 23. Feb. 2019, 14:35:
>>
>>
>> Not quite sure why people try use Qubes with laptops. I found far better
>> performance on desktops. Laptops are the opposite of flexible. PC's you can
>> upgrade to your hearts content.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe because for 90% a laptop offers enough performance, has much lower
>> space & power requirement and can be used flexible?
>> And because maybe more people "have to use" computers than they "like to
>> build" them thereselves.
>> Just a guess ;-)
>>
>>
>> I was asking the other question:
>> Who is buying those desktop PCs today?
>>
>>
>> - O
>
>Who are buying desktops? Anyone who is serious about computing. Developers,
>gamers, businesses, those interested in VR, those interested in security,
>those interested in a build that can be upgraded to their hearts content.
>
>Laptops have their purpose. They can provide a mobile computing experience. I
>use one for work purposes. But, lets be real. That is the only advantage over
>a desktop (even power usage can be just as low on a desktop if you want it to
>be). You don't even have to build one yourself for Qubes. You can easily buy a
>SSF Dell Optiplex off ebay for $200 with a Intel 4770/4790 and 16/32gb of ram.
>
>I have an i7 laptop from 2011 that can't even run Qubes 4.0 because laptop
>cpus get shafted in the specs (thankfully they at least get vt'd these days).
>I have others that have heating problems because there is only so much cooling
>you can give a laptop, while some of my desktops have 5 14cm fans keeping them
>cool at 5ghz overclocks.
>
>You say laptops are flexible? But are they? you can't just rip out parts
>(apart from ram/hdd) like a desktop. And their actual upgrade paths are
>limited. With my desktop I have parts from multiple build/years. It is just
>that flexible.
>
>Also, space requirements? you living in a tent?
>
>I speak out about this.. because I have 5 laptops sitting around collecting
>dust. They have limited use because they are laptops. Desktops can always be
>adapted to another use. One of my older builds became a pfsense router, for
>example.
>
>
>
I use an older Dell D630 as a "server" on my home network. It hosts three
different VM's under VirtualBox. One is really old...XP...keeps track of my
solar electric system. Two are Linux based...one is a VPN server, and one
hosts a webpage for my farm. It runs continuously and is a replacement for the
prior laptop I has doing the job for almost 10 years of continuous running.
They can be repurposed quite easily. Yes, it is a PITA to "upgrade" the
hardware much...but a usable laptop can be e-bay found for well < $100...and I
treat them like a cheap disposable appliance. Why by a complicated built in
oven when a counter top toaster oven will do the job?
Everything has a purpose.
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